[CharlieO]

Not as much with food and exercise though.

With food I don't think unhealthy eating makes you scum because eating is a necessity in life and you're still providing yourself with energy. This means that though I don't respect eating obviously unhealthy foods I do understand it and wouldn't think as badly upon that person.

With exercise it isn't the same because it isn't actively poising your body. Your not making the choice to do something that you know has no benefits what so ever so I also don't think as badly upon people who don't exercise enough in comparison to the smoking issue.

[Redway]

So you're basically calling about 3/4 of the world scum?

[CharlieO]

if you say so

[CharlieO]

It really is smoking though to such an extent. Every other effect of a lifestyle choice that's been mentioned earlier can be reversed by being active. Smoking there is no way to reverse it and there is not one benefit to it.

[Sam:)]

I get what charlie is saying to a certain extent, although the effects of smoking is nearly reversible after 15 years of quitting

[Redway]

Originally Posted by CharlieO

It really is smoking though to such an extent. Every other effect of a lifestyle choice that's been mentioned earlier can be reversed by being active. Smoking there is no way to reverse it and there is not one benefit to it.

If you mean just smoking then I see what you mean. I thought you was on about eating habits/exercise/smoking as a whole.

[AnnieK]

If you have ever read Alan Carr's (not chatty man) book hE documents how the government tobacco industry and media spent many years slowly and subliminally brainwashing people into smoking. It's a very interesting read and does open your eyes to how the tobacco industry gained such a foothold into society and just how much money is made by the government on smoking As many people did I so regretted starting but I don't think this licence would have made me stop but driving the cost up did.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Shaun

how convenient it should have no basis

Of course it's biased, otherwise it wouldn't be a point of view .....

[joeysteele]

A really bad idea and one I would be against 100%. I am not a smoker but think it really bad the way they are targetted all the time.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Omah

Of course it's biased, otherwise it wouldn't be a point of view .....

Think you might have misread him there Omah

[microscope]

I think any idea to stop or cut-down those who smoke or are thinking of taking up the filthy habit is great. There also should be no national health service for smokers either and if they can't afford to pay for private health care, which they should have to pay, then let them die...simples! If you want to take up a drug like tobacco which causes cancer and loads of other serious health problems and also innocent non-smokers have to breath in your passive cigarette smoke which we don't want to, as we don't want to stink like an ash try and breath in and end up coughing and damaging our own health which is criminal.

Cigarettes and tobacco should be a lot more expensive to and bringing in duty free fags should be made illegal, and anyone caught doing it should be given massive fines

[Omah]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Think you might have misread him there Omah

I shoulda gone to Specsavers .....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Shaun

how convenient it should have no basis

Everybody knows that nicotine is an addictive drug. To see just how addictive it is in comparison to alcohol, heroin, cocaine and caffeine: look at the table below.

(see webpage)

Addiction to nicotine is far more common than addiction to cocaine, heroin or alcohol, and the rate of graduation from occasional use to addictive levels of intake is highest for nicotine in the form of cigarettes.

http://www.nes.scot.nhs.uk/smoking1/...addiction.html

On a scale from 1 - 100 Nicotine is the most addictive drug - even more addictive than crack cocaine!

99 - Nicotine

98 - Smoked methamphetamine

97 - Crack cocaine

92 - Injected methamphetamine

83 - Valium

82 - Seconal

80 - Heroin

80 - Nasal amphetamine

71 - Nasal cocaine

70 - Caffeine

60 - PCP

22 - Marijuana

20 - Ecstasy

19 - Psilocybin

16 - LSD

15 - Mescaline

http://www.stopsmokingnow.co.uk/nico...ictiveness.php

[InOne]

Originally Posted by microscope

I think any idea to stop or cut-down those who smoke or are thinking of taking up the filthy habit is great. There also should be no national health service for smokers either and if they can't afford to pay for private health care, which they should have to pay, then let them die...simples! If you want to take up a drug like tobacco which causes cancer and loads of other serious health problems and also innocent non-smokers have to breath in your passive cigarette smoke which we don't want to, as we don't want to stink like an ash try and breath in and end up coughing and damaging our own health which is criminal.

Cigarettes and tobacco should be a lot more expensive to and bringing in duty free fags should be made illegal, and anyone caught doing it should be given massive fines

Well aren't you a bundle of joy.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Omah

I shoulda gone to Specsavers .....

[Kizzy]

Oh look theres innocent old marajuana....

[Ramsay]

Thread has nothing to do with weed Kizzy

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Karl

Thread has nothing to do with weed Kizzy

Just making an observation karl.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Shaun

how convenient it should have no basis

A cigarette may look harmless enough - tobacco leaves covered in classic white paper. But when it burns, it releases a dangerous cocktail of about 4,000 chemicals including:

• more than 70 cancer-causing chemicals
• hundreds of other poisons.
• nicotine, a highly addictive drug, and many additives designed to make cigarettes taste nicer and keep smokers hooked.

This page has more information on the various poisons in cigarette smoke. You can also read about where these come from and how concentrated they actually are.

• Cancer-causing chemicals in tobacco smoke
• Tar - a mixture of dangerous chemicals
• Arsenic - used in wood preservatives
• Benzene - an industrial solvent, refined from crude oil
• Cadmium - used in batteries
• Formaldehyde - used in mortuaries and paint manufacturing
• Polonium-210 - a highly radioactive element
• Chromium - used to manufacture dye, paints and alloys
• 1,3-Butadiene - used in rubber manufacturing
• Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons - a group of dangerous DNA-damaging chemicals
• Nitrosamines - another group of DNA-damaging chemicals
• Acrolein - formerly used as a chemical weapon
• Other chemicals - see webpage

Other poisons in cigarette smoke

• Hydrogen cyanide - used as an industrial pesticide
• Carbon monoxide - found in car exhausts and used in chemicals manufacturing
• Nitrogen oxides - a major component of smog
• Ammonia - used to make fertilisers and explosives
• More poisons - see webpage

http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/canc...igarette#Other

[Ramsay]

Originally Posted by kizzy

Just making an observation karl.

Of course

[Vicky.]

Arsenic - used in wood preservatives

Well I never knew that, always thought arsenic was rat poison

[Omah]

Acrolein - formerly used as a chemical weapon