[sampvt]

The prods think that the public are stupid and we cant do the right thing. What they actually mean is that they want more money by keeping the voters stirred up so we vote and give them loads of dosh. If Wolfy goes, the ethos of the house will revert back to a game playing show like with Aaron and they cant let that happen.

They will hope that the HM,s will save Wolfy and if they do, dan will be safe and Dexter and gina will be offered as the sacrificial lambs. Gina would beat Dexter but the prods wont cry over that as his storyline is getting old hat so he is expendable.

Personally I will keep watching but I think the show will loose a lot of interest this year.

[Jordan.]

What would the producers gain out of fixing it to save the current most hated housemate?

[Kate!]

I hate this twist. Wolfy has been piling on the emotional blackmail and it is almost a foregone conclusion the housemates will save her It should stay as it is, four of them up. We decide.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

What would the producers gain out of fixing it to save the current most hated housemate?

Simple answer....future storylines....do you need any more info or will that do.

BTW the loco thingy is not necessary to emphasise your point. words are better and less patronising.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Simple answer....future storylines....do you need any more info or will that do.

Because Dan, Gina and Dexter have nothing at all to offer?

[Vicky.]

The problem with these twists..is time and time again..they seem to come AFTER the producers know who is up. And as such it makes it look like a 'fix'

Even moreso this time when Wolfy was almost a dead cert to be evicted, and now is most likely to be saved by the HMs.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Because Dan, Gina and Dexter have nothing at all to offer?

Your logic sucks bearing in mind that Wolfy got numerous posters blood boiling last night and is thee most hated HM so they want her there to stri it up. Dan is a big girl and has only bitching in his arsenal, Gina cant function as a bitch devoid of booze and Dexters days and storyline are getting rusty.

So you think Wolfy has nothing to offer eh, sad as I used to respect your views Jordan.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Your logic sucks bearing in mind that Wolfy got numerous posters blood boiling last night and is thee most hated HM so they want her there to stri it up. Dan is a big girl and has only bitching in his arsenal, Gina cant function as a bitch devoid of booze and Dexters days and storyline are getting rusty.

So you think Wolfy has nothing to offer eh, sad as I used to respect your views Jordan.

If you think Wolfy has so much to offer to the show why are you whining it's a fix? Just be happy the producers are keeping the entertainment in that case.

[Brother Leon]

The twist is **** when you have someone hated by pretty much everyone and another person hated by about half the HMs always facing eviction. If anything make a twist taking the power away from the pack.

[MTVN]

There is no reason for them to want to keep Wolfy in over the others, plus they have been portraying her horribly in the highlights last few nights so it's not like she is being given a favourable edit, not to mention that in every other series Wolfy wouldn't even have been up and it's only because of how they've changed it that she's facing eviction anyway

Nominations were live for us all to see last night, do people really think that they originally planned to open the lines and everything immediately but then went in to a mad rush to try and cook up a twist to save Wolfy for no apparent reason? Or is it more likely that they had always planned to do this anyway?

[DanielLuis]

Originally Posted by Im_Juz_ChiLLin

Well it's clearly a fix they're to save Wolfie and if she is on Wednesday I'll be boycotting the show as i can't handle manipulation !!!!

To be honest if it was a twist to save Dexter you wouldn't boycott the show

[Chris82]

Originally Posted by MTVN

There is no reason for them to want to keep Wolfy in over the others, plus they have been portraying her horribly in the highlights last few nights so it's not like she is being given a favourable edit, not to mention that in every other series Wolfy wouldn't even have been up and it's only because of how they've changed it that she's facing eviction anyway

Nominations were live for us all to see last night, do people really think that they originally planned to open the lines and everything immediately but then went in to a mad rush to try and cook up a twist to save Wolfy for no apparent reason? Or is it more likely that they had always planned to do this anyway?

If it had been planned already it would have been announced on BOTS.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Chris82

If it had been planned already it would have been announced on BOTS.

Agree.

Also, whats the format for the save? Do the HM's decide amongst themselves and agree who to save or do they go round them individually each picking their HM to save? If they go individually there might be a tie. What do we do in the event of a tie? Are the nominate HM's exempt or do they get a say in who's saved? Too many questions need answering and if they had the answers the whole thing it would have been announced ages ago. They're doing this one the fly for sure.

[Im_Juz_ChiLLin]

Originally Posted by DanielLuis

To be honest if it was a twist to save Dexter you wouldn't boycott the show

Would you be saying the same if Gina is evicted and wolfie gets saved by them on wednesday? i think i know the answer exactly.....

[joeysteele]

Well from my own angle and I do see your point Salman completely,I also agree that Dan could be saved over Wolfy or maybe even Gina.
I cannot guess who the housemates may choose so I accept all that.

However, I prefer having the housemates nominate, BB decides sets the rules as to whether its a min 2 or min 3 housemates up for eviction and then we the public take over and evict one of however many are up that week.

I hate manipulation in any way.
I hate the nomination process being meddled with but I hate even more the meddling with the eviction procedure too, especially after the housemates have nominated and BB have already declared who would be up for eviction as they did last night.

Even more to my dislike is the freezing of the lines ona wednesday and this further rumoured twist makes that all the more distasteful.
The ask the housemates to nominate face to face as to who they wnat out, then they ask the same housemates to change their minds and save one, not even giving the public a say.

That is what to me, is wrong with this twist,no matter who is saved.
I don't hate Wolfy, or Dexter, Gina and certainly not Dan but I would be saying all this still even if Dan was the one to get saved by this twist.

Just why can they not leave nominations and evictions alone.
If they are going to alter the nominations made by this twist and a housemate is then taken out of the process with no public voting at all, then why even bother to do nominations in the first place.

It stinks quite frankly,really rotten too and they are ruining a rather good series by such 'engineering' as I call it.

[Bluerang1]

Originally Posted by MTVN

There is no reason for them to want to keep Wolfy in over the others, plus they have been portraying her horribly in the highlights last few nights so it's not like she is being given a favourable edit, not to mention that in every other series Wolfy wouldn't even have been up and it's only because of how they've changed it that she's facing eviction anyway

Nominations were live for us all to see last night, do people really think that they originally planned to open the lines and everything immediately but then went in to a mad rush to try and cook up a twist to save Wolfy for no apparent reason? Or is it more likely that they had always planned to do this anyway?

The crying about being bullied made me feel bad for her, and I'm sure many casual vote-happy viewers felt the same. The whole arrogant "I will be saved" thing however will be view negatively if aired on the main show.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

If you think Wolfy has so much to offer to the show why are you whining it's a fix? Just be happy the producers are keeping the entertainment in that case.

Babies whine, grown men like me join forums like this to voice opinions which are either accepted or declined by other posters and healthy debate is entered into. Sadly some of those posters think they are the morality police and decline to accept anyone's point of view bar their own. (If the cap fits)

If you took time to read my post, you would have noticed that the primary WHINE as you put it, was nothing to do with who is or is not interesting, but was pointed squarely at the producers meddling in the ethos of the show by offering Wolfy a get out clause.

Like all the other cash paying voters and supporters of the show, I reserve the right to choose my target and this week I wanted Wolfy to suffer due to her actions but it looks like BB have stripped me of that choice by changing the goalposts mid game. That my learned friend is not playing cricket.

[elliebrew]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well from my own angle and I do see your point Salman completely,I also agree that Dan could be saved over Wolfy or maybe even Gina.
I cannot guess who the housemates may choose so I accept all that.

However, I prefer having the housemates nominate, BB decides sets the rules as to whether its a min 2 or min 3 housemates up for eviction and then we the public take over and evict one of however many are up that week.

I hate manipulation in any way.
I hate the nomination process being meddled with but I hate even more the meddling with the eviction procedure too, especially after the housemates have nominated and BB have already declared who would be up for eviction as they did last night.

Even more to my dislike is the freezing of the lines ona wednesday and this further rumoured twist makes that all the more distasteful.
The ask the housemates to nominate face to face as to who they wnat out, then they ask the same housemates to change their minds and save one, not even giving the public a say.

That is what to me, is wrong with this twist,no matter who is saved.
I don't hate Wolfy, or Dexter, Gina and certainly not Dan but I would be saying all this still even if Dan was the one to get saved by this twist.

Just why can they not leave nominations and evictions alone.
If they are going to alter the nominations made by this twist and a housemate is then taken out of the process with no public voting at all, then why even bother to do nominations in the first place.

It stinks quite frankly,really rotten too and they are ruining a rather good series by such 'engineering' as I call it.

The entire poit of the game is nominations an evictions

ANY an EVERY twist will affect nominations or evictions in some way

It's always been the nature of the game.

I love a twist o proceedings. It breaks up the weeks and allows people who wouldn't ordinarily be in the firing line to be potentially evicted.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by elliebrew

The entire poit of the game is nominations an evictions

ANY an EVERY twist will affect nominations or evictions in some way

It's always been the nature of the game.

I love a twist o proceedings. It breaks up the weeks and allows people who wouldn't ordinarily be in the firing line to be potentially evicted.

That is your view and fine, I respect all that.

I have my thoughts and view too and this announcement coming after the noms were done is distasteful in my view and clearly to a good many other people on the forum too.

I am trying very hard to,maybe you could help or tell me, when though did they ever do a twist that involved the housemates being asked to nominate and change their minds as to one who they nominated and save them from being up for eviction though.
I see absolutely no point in that whatsoever,as a twist or otherwise.

For me it seems 'odd' but to you it is fine.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Babies whine, grown men like me join forums like this to voice opinions which are either accepted or declined by other posters and healthy debate is entered into. Sadly some of those posters think they are the morality police and decline to accept anyone's point of view bar their own. (If the cap fits)

If you took time to read my post, you would have noticed that the primary WHINE as you put it, was nothing to do with who is or is not interesting, but was pointed squarely at the producers meddling in the ethos of the show by offering Wolfy a get out clause.

Like all the other cash paying voters and supporters of the show, I reserve the right to choose my target and this week I wanted Wolfy to suffer due to her actions but it looks like BB have stripped me of that choice by changing the goalposts mid game. That my learned friend is not playing cricket.

That's fair enough to be annoyed at them for messing with the nominations but I don't agree with people saying it's fixed just to save Wolfy when there's no reason for her to stay over the other 3 + it isn't even guaranteed she'll be the one saved

[sampvt]

In the past we have had loads more HM,s up. Why all of a sudden are they letting one be saved. Doesn't gain any reasoning for me. Its a pure kink by BB to allow BB to control the flow of the show. Not something their track record shows as being the best of ideas. Let the dam show flow at its own rate. Everything they touch falls apart, tossers.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

The twist is **** when you have someone hated by pretty much everyone and another person hated by about half the HMs always facing eviction. If anything make a twist taking the power away from the pack.

I agree, last minute twists have to be to the detriment of the group not giving them the power to change the balance of HM in an instant. This is not BB logic and serves no one and REALLY winds up the viewing public so please STOP these stupid twists...

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

I agree, last minute twists have to be to the detriment of the group not giving them the power to change the balance of HM in an instant. This is not BB logic and serves no one and REALLY winds up the viewing public so please STOP these stupid twists...

Absolutely, well said Nedusa.

[Visage]

What is the twist?

I'm looking but obviously not in the right places.

Was something mentioned on last night's BOTS?

As far as I know, it's four up for eviction.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Visage

What is the twist?

I'm looking but obviously not in the right places.

Was something mentioned on last night's BOTS?

As far as I know, it's four up for eviction.

One of the four is to be saved by the Hm's in tomorrows show.