[Brother Leon]

Originally Posted by Livia

Q: What is so ironic about Atheists?
A: They’re always talking about God.

So true.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

How is it a strange thing to say ? 6M people died !! How could we ever forget that ??

I think your post is a bit strange to be honest...!!!!

Well can you explain what you meant more clearly then please? with all the ???? and !!!!! I misunderstood... clearly.
My thought was you were suggesting it wasn't the only act of genocide in history, sorry.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well can you explain what you meant more clearly then please? with all the ???? and !!!!! I misunderstood... clearly.
My thought was you were suggesting it wasn't the only act of genocide in history, sorry.

No problem Kizzy, I always use too many exclamations.. Sorry for any misunderstandings.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Brother Leon

So true.

great line and great because its totally true

[InOne]

What's you'll find is most Atheists hardly talk about God or Religion at all. And let's face it, it never comes up in daily conversation. It's only on the internet that Religion is heavily discussed these days and what Atheist wouldn't put their opinion in on a forum? Religion has caused enough misery in the world and it still is so I always smile when I see it given a good kick-in.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by InOne

What's you'll find is most Atheists hardly talk about God or Religion at all. And let's face it, it never comes up in daily conversation. It's only on the internet that Religion is heavily discussed these days and what Atheist wouldn't put their opinion in on a forum? Religion has caused enough misery in the world and it still is so I always smile when I see it given a good kick-in.

Thre you go an atheist talking about religion again
ps religion doesnt cause wars, people do

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by the truth

ps religion doesnt cause wars, people do

The people who start the wars very often do so because of their ridiculous beliefs in imaginary gods/religions though so your point is pointless. Religion only exist within the minds of people.

Religion is outdated mumbo-jumbo that has long been debunked by anyone with any intelligence.
Anyone who believes something without being shown any evidence to prove its existence is just plain ignorant. It is our duty as an evolving species to question EVERYTHING! Anyone who doesn't will inevitably, at some point, be deceived or will end up making bad or foolish decisions.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by JTM45

The people who start the wars very often do so because of their ridiculous beliefs in imaginary gods/religions though so your point is pointless. Religion only exist within the minds of people.

Religion is outdated mumbo-jumbo that has long been debunked by anyone with any intelligence.
Anyone who believes something without being shown any evidence to prove its existence is just plain ignorant. It is our duty as an evolving species to question EVERYTHING! Anyone who doesn't will inevitably, at some point, be deceived or will end up making bad or foolish decisions.

Clearly not on this Forum judging by some of the anti atheist rants in recent threads..........!!!!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by the truth

Thre you go an atheist talking about religion again
ps religion doesnt cause wars, people do

Yeah because that's the topic. I don't dive into every thread preaching or anything

[Niamh.]

Religion is an interesting topic to discuss though, especially on a discussion forum where the whole point is to discuss things Not that I class myself as an atheist anyway, I don't like having to label myself as anything really, why do i need to? I don't follow a religion and i don't know if there is or isn't a higher power

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Religion is an interesting topic to discuss though, especially on a discussion forum where the whole point is to discuss things Not that I class myself as an atheist anyway, I don't like having to label myself as anything really, why do i need to? I don't follow a religion and i don't know if there is or isn't a higher power

Your Are Most Wise

[InOne]

And the truth people start wars because they genuinely believe they are fighting for God

Originally Posted by arista

Your Are Most Wise

And so are your.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JTM45

Religion is outdated mumbo-jumbo that has long been debunked by anyone with any intelligence.
Anyone who believes something without being shown any evidence to prove its existence is just plain ignorant.
....

Hmmm that's an interesting theory Jake. That people who have a religion lack intelligence. You think you're cleverer than anyone who has a religion? Is that what you're saying?

I find religious people mostly don't want to make you believe what they believe. It's generally atheist who get insulting about it... and that comment is quite insulting to me.

The main issue is the difference between faith and religion. People of faith are happy to keep their beliefs personal and private, but it's religion that actually wants to inflict it's backward beliefs into the public sphere, with issues like terrorism, sex, and homophobia (as 3 examples). If religion came without the interference into normal life, then there wouldn't be the need for atheists to continually point out the insanity residing in books written by men that knew very little about the world they were describing.

But hey ho, atheists have had probably 50-100 years of publicly challenging Abrahamic faith, religion had over a thousand years of torturing and murdering people for even being suspected of doubt, but religious people now feel victimised and attacked for having their beliefs mocked.

Here's a tip, if people can actually mock the truths you hold most dear, on the basis of inconsistencies and magical thinking in your holy books, then re-examine your beliefs.

[Crimson Dynamo]

As long as its not in schools or politics then no one will care, no one cares that the odd person thinks that star trek is real but would draw the line at that being taught at schools and having grown men dressed as Klingons in the Lords.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

The main issue is the difference between faith and religion. People of faith are happy to keep their beliefs personal and private, but it's religion that actually wants to inflict it's backward beliefs into the public sphere, with issues like terrorism, sex, and homophobia (as 3 examples). If religion came without the interference into normal life, then there wouldn't be the need for atheists to continually point out the insanity residing in books written by men that knew very little about the world they were describing.

But hey ho, atheists have had probably 50-100 years of publicly challenging Abrahamic faith, religion had over a thousand years of torturing and murdering people for even being suspected of doubt, but religious people now feel victimised and attacked for having their beliefs mocked.

Here's a tip, if people can actually mock the truths you hold most dear, on the basis of inconsistencies and magical thinking in your holy books, then re-examine your beliefs.

I think I take a fair amount of good-natured shtick on here about my faith. I am happy to laugh at myself and at my religion. I think that's what this thread was about. But it's never quite enough, is it. It has to develop into a general mocking of anyone's faith by those who have none, of being accused of being stupid and ignorant because I believe in something that someone else doesn't believe in.

My religion does recruit, I don't want to sign anyone up or turn them around to my way of thinking. I have no wish to disuade Atheists from their beliefs, and yet I am continually amazed at the lengths some unbelievers go to try to disuade me from mine.

Your last paragraph is typical of atheists. Why the hell should I re-examine my faith because I'm asked to by someone who doesn't understand what faith is?

Anyway... this thread, as usually happens with any thread to do with religion, has been taken over and turned into a faith-bashing instrument instead of the "should religion be satirised" dsiscussion it started out to be.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

The main issue is the difference between faith and religion. People of faith are happy to keep their beliefs personal and private, but it's religion that actually wants to inflict it's backward beliefs into the public sphere, with issues like terrorism, sex, and homophobia (as 3 examples). If religion came without the interference into normal life, then there wouldn't be the need for atheists to continually point out the insanity residing in books written by men that knew very little about the world they were describing.

But hey ho, atheists have had probably 50-100 years of publicly challenging Abrahamic faith, religion had over a thousand years of torturing and murdering people for even being suspected of doubt, but religious people now feel victimised and attacked for having their beliefs mocked.

Here's a tip, if people can actually mock the truths you hold most dear, on the basis of inconsistencies and magical thinking in your holy books, then re-examine your beliefs.

Amen to that..............!!!!!

[King Gizzard]

Originally Posted by Livia

Hmmm that's an interesting theory Jake. That people who have a religion lack intelligence. You think you're cleverer than anyone who has a religion? Is that what you're saying?

I find religious people mostly don't want to make you believe what they believe. It's generally atheist who get insulting about it... and that comment is quite insulting to me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

I think I take a fair amount of good-natured shtick on here about my faith. I am happy to laugh at myself and at my religion. I think that's what this thread was about. But it's never quite enough, is it. It has to develop into a general mocking of anyone's faith by those who have none, of being accused of being stupid and ignorant because I believe in something that someone else doesn't believe in.

My religion does recruit, I don't want to sign anyone up or turn them around to my way of thinking. I have no wish to disuade Atheists from their beliefs, and yet I am continually amazed at the lengths some unbelievers go to try to disuade me from mine.

Your last paragraph is typical of atheists. Why the hell should I re-examine my faith because I'm asked to by someone who doesn't understand what faith is?

Anyway... this thread, as usually happens with any thread to do with religion, has been taken over and turned into a faith-bashing instrument instead of the "should religion be satirised" dsiscussion it started out to be.

Dont forget you are also an atheist in terms of the many thousands of gods that people believe in. You are just not an atheist when it comes to your own god.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by the truth

Thre you go an atheist talking about religion again
ps religion doesnt cause wars, people do

and in the minds of the religious - people are made by gods in their image so its a bit catch 22 in that repect

[Kizzy]

People always mock what they don't understand that is the definition of ignorance.
I don't understand what people attempted to inform us about so desperately 2000yrs ago, yet I don't feel the need to discredit their interpretations.

Originally Posted by Livia

I think I take a fair amount of good-natured shtick on here about my faith. I am happy to laugh at myself and at my religion. I think that's what this thread was about. But it's never quite enough, is it. It has to develop into a general mocking of anyone's faith by those who have none, of being accused of being stupid and ignorant because I believe in something that someone else doesn't believe in.

My religion does recruit, I don't want to sign anyone up or turn them around to my way of thinking. I have no wish to disuade Atheists from their beliefs, and yet I am continually amazed at the lengths some unbelievers go to try to disuade me from mine.

Your last paragraph is typical of atheists. Why the hell should I re-examine my faith because I'm asked to by someone who doesn't understand what faith is?

Anyway... this thread, as usually happens with any thread to do with religion, has been taken over and turned into a faith-bashing instrument instead of the "should religion be satirised" dsiscussion it started out to be.

We've spoken before about the differences in Judaism compared with Christianity & Islam, and I thought my post gave a fairly concise and fair explanation of why atheists are forced into public discussions about such things at all. It's actually religion that forces this discussion, and not really atheists. Religion can't have it both ways, Liv. It can't take part in the business of politics, but at the same time expect tax exemption, and the reverence that religious institutions demand.

You're arguing against a lot of points that my post didn't even begin to try and make, and that I don't agree with either.

You shouldn't re-examine your faith because you're asked to, you should examine your faith because it's dear and important to you. What other areas of life do you leave things where they are to constantly remain unchallenged? I can't agree that having faith is in any way virtuous, or something that I can't understand/get to grips with, but I've said before that whatever gets people through the night.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

We've spoken before about the differences in Judaism compared with Christianity & Islam, and I thought my post gave a fairly concise and fair explanation of why atheists are forced into public discussions about such things at all. It's actually religion that forces this discussion, and not really atheists. Religion can't have it both ways, Liv. It can't take part in the business of politics, but at the same time expect tax exemption, and the reverence that religious institutions demand.

You're arguing against a lot of points that my post didn't even begin to try and make, and that I don't agree with either.

You shouldn't re-examine your faith because you're asked to, you should examine your faith because it's dear and important to you. What other areas of life do you leave things where they are to constantly remain unchallenged? I can't agree that having faith is in any way virtuous, or something that I can't understand/get to grips with, but I've said before that whatever gets people through the night.

No one on this forum is forcing the Atheists to steam in every time there's a religious discussion and take the piss. Now, I'm not necessarily aiming that at you, but you must know what I mean. The "religious people must all be stupid" comments are the ones that anger me most.

I never said having faith was virtuous. I think what I've always said is that it's my own thing, and I have no wish to get anyone else to join. I really, really don't care what other people believe, if they believe anything at all, and would be so happy if non-believers could extend to me the same courtesy. But look at you suggesting I should be re-examining my religion, like you might know what's best for me when it comes to my faith, while not feeling in anyway you should also be re-examining your own Atheism.

Get to grips with faith, or don't. My feelings about you will remain the same as they've always been. I can't prove what faith is to you. Same could be said about love, I guess.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Dont forget you are also an atheist in terms of the many thousands of gods that people believe in. You are just not an atheist when it comes to your own god.

Nah, I'm one of God's Chosen People.