[Verbal]

Originally Posted by rionablue

My opinion for what its worth is that Helen seems to think she is 'above' Jale that she is smarter and better than her in every way. You can sense that by the way Helen looks at her or speaks to her and her little band of followers surround her all the time. Because of the scandal in Helens past she is most CERTAINLY NOT above the other housemate and as they say 'Let him without sin throw the first stone) (Danielle would be so proud of me lol) Therefore when Helen is mistreating Jale many forum members bring up the Rooney thing as an example of Helens work

It was Rooney that made the decision to go to Helen, he's to blame. She has done nothing.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Verbal

It was Rooney that made the decision to go to Helen, he's to blame. She has done nothing.

Hmm that's not true though is it, it takes two. She obviously knew he was, knew he had a family.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by Josy

Hmm that's not true though is it, it takes two. She obviously knew he was, knew he had a family.

She was providing a service, a clients personal circumstances are not her problem

[Verbal]

He may well have lied to her as well, saying they were about to split up. If he's having marital issues he should go to a counsellor not a prostitute. Demonising her for it is just stupid.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Josy

And lots of people find selling your body repulsive too.

If you're still in the 1940s yeah

What other people do with their bodies is no one else's business, so long as people are of age and consenting anyone is free to do what they like, as many times as they like and with anyone they like and even for money if they so wish. If some people wouldn't do it themselves that's fine, but criticising others when it's not your body is quite pathetic. Anyone that cares takes life too seriously and should sort their priorities out, I mean there's wars, famine and economic and social inequality around the world and people are concerned about whether some people are selling sex? It's such a non-issue unless you're directly involved in it yourself

Some people are even forced into prostitution either literally or because they need the money and have little other means of acquiring it so the idea that people could be repulsed by that is actually quite saddening

[Jack_]

Prostitutes aren't there to vet or enquire about each client's relationship or marital status, the onus is on the client themselves to not be unfaithful. Just because he's Wayne Rooney it makes no difference, he's still a customer just like everyone else. They're paid to do a job and that's that.

This is just like how people (usually women) who sleep with someone in a relationship get blamed more by the partner than their actual cheating spouse. It's ridiculous, if you're the one in a relationship it is your responsibility not to cheat. No one else's

[InOne]

Her life on the game will have made her pretty cold. But that's no excuse for her being nasty. Prostitute or not she would've been mostly the same person in the house.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Jack_

If you're still in the 1940s yeah

What other people do with their bodies is no one else's business, so long as people are of age and consenting anyone is free to do what they like, as many times as they like and with anyone they like and even for money if they so wish. If some people wouldn't do it themselves that's fine, but criticising others when it's not your body is quite pathetic. Anyone that cares takes life too seriously and should sort their priorities out, I mean there's wars, famine and economic and social inequality around the world and people are concerned about whether some people are selling sex? It's such a non-issue unless you're directly involved in it yourself

Some people are even forced into prostitution either literally or because they need the money and have little other means of acquiring it so the idea that people could be repulsed by that is actually quite saddening

Well theres plenty of people that find prostitution disgusting and it's not the 1940's so yeah that's that point flawed isn't it.

And it's none of your business if other people choose to find it disgusting, humiliating and degrading.

Wont even bother replying to the rest of your post tbh because it's just insulting anyone that disagrees with your opinion.

[Northern Monkey]

I actually don't have any problem with prossies or what they do.I would'nt wanna be with one or an ex prossie in a relationship but i have no moral objection to it at all.There is a demand for it and they provide a service.However,I can't blame people for judging them either,They are seen as mucky because of all the penises they've had in their mouth and other holes.You would'nt wanna kiss one or go in one without a coat.It's understandable that people will judge them.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Prostitutes aren't there to vet or enquire about each client's relationship or marital status, the onus is on the client themselves to not be unfaithful. Just because he's Wayne Rooney it makes no difference, he's still a customer just like everyone else. They're paid to do a job and that's that.

This is just like how people (usually women) who sleep with someone in a relationship get blamed more by the partner than their actual cheating spouse. It's ridiculous, if you're the one in a relationship it is your responsibility not to cheat. No one else's

And how about revealing all to the tabloids for forty grand. Who's responsibility is that?

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

I actually don't have any problem with prossies or what they do.I would'nt wanna be with one or an ex prossie in a relationship but i have no moral objection to it at all.There is a demand for it and they provide a service.However,I can't blame people for judging them either,They are seen as mucky because of all the penises they've had in their mouth and other holes.You would'nt wanna kiss one or go in one without a coat.It's understandable that people will judge them.

Take your average girl, 27 years old, likes a night out clubbing, been clubbing since she was 15. How many do you think she's had?

How does being paid for it make it different?

The one doing it for free is much more of a slapper imo.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Take your average girl, 27 years old, likes a night out clubbing, been clubbing since she was 15. How many do you think she's had?

How does being paid for it make it different?

The one doing it for free is much more of a slapper imo.

The one doing it for money probably goes with atleast 5 men a night,The average 27 year old clubber won't put up anywhere near those figures,She may not go around sleeping with a new guy every weekend anyway.Like i said,I'm not against prostitution at all,I just don't blame people for judging them,I can see why they do.

[Verbal]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

The one doing it for money probably goes with atleast 5 men a night,The average 27 year old clubber won't put up anywhere near those figures,She may not go around sleeping with a new guy every weekend anyway.Like i said,I'm not against prostitution at all,I just don't blame people for judging them,I can see why they do.

The majority of people go out with the sole intention of 'pulling'. My hypothetical situation was based on someone that goes out every weekend to pull and get laid. There are plenty of them. But I take your point.

[Pink Pegasus]

That link from the independent.ie goes into quite a bit of detail about what she got up to with clients! mg:

For anyone who may not be able to access link on their phones:

It's not the usual back story to prostitution that you hear. Normal enough family, father a university lecturer and her mum a teaching assistant. She says herself that she doesn't blame her parents for her life decisions, she admits she was always a very hard teenager to handle, and that she was never as bright as her two brothers academically.

Doesn't seem hugely against all religious people. Says that as a teenager she got taken into a foster home to live with a vicar and his wife. She feared they would make her say prayers all the time but ended up finding them "loving and supportive", she says she respected them and didn't want to disappoint them.

She also says she never wanted the Rooney thing to go public initially because of her little son - probably didn't want her profession made public. But her name went all over the papers anyways before she ever said anything.

What I find the scariest out of that whole story though is her relationship with ex Louis Larsson. The guy was caught buying firearms with her credit card and went to prison. How could you want anyone like that in your child's life?

Her boyfriend, whom she claims is the best thing that's ever happened to her, has been in prison for the past year. He was caught buying firearms with her credit card, unbeknown to her until the police knocked at their door one day at dawn and arrested them both. After much questioning, they released her. But she still loves him.

"I know he doesn't sound it because he's in prison, but he's fantastic," she tells me. "I'd never had a boyfriend before. I don't count my son's father as a boyfriend. I was single for six and a half years and then Louis came along."

He made contact with her through Facebook and then one of her friends gave him her number. He wanted to take her out on a date but she'd never been on a date before. Besides, she was working as an escort and so she felt that she couldn't do both. He brought her out for dinner in the Lake District.

"We ended up staying over and we stayed for another two nights," she says. "Then we came back and I've never looked back. When I first got with him, I was still escorting but after nine weeks I thought, 'I'm going to have to tell him the truth.' I broke down when I told him and I got really upset. I said, 'You won't want to see me after I've told you this. I'm an escort.' He gave me a hug and said, 'I don't care what you do. I like you for you and it's a job at the end of the day. I'm not narrow-minded. Who am I to walk into your life and expect you to turn things around?' He was really understanding."

On the insides of both her wrists, she has blue tattoos declaring her love for him. On one it says, 'No lies'. The other has, 'Just Love. Louis. 30/09/2009.'

"I only did the tattoo because he's insecure about me being out here," she says. "We both love each other to pieces, we're faithful to each other and, more than anything, we're best friends.

"When he got into trouble, I didn't want to ever speak to him again. But then he wrote to me and said he couldn't live without me, so that's why I've stuck by him."

She visits her boyfriend in prison every week. He asks her to dress up, but she won't. She tells him that it's a prison, and not a catwalk. She is looking forward to October, when he will be out on day release. "Here's the really ironic thing," she says. "I'm perceived to be the biggest slut going, but I've not had sex with anybody for a whole year."
- See more at: http://www.independent.ie/woman/cele....8HmFjWwY.dpuf

The guy is now a fugitive on the run!
http://www.list.co.uk/article/61692-...r-big-brother/
She must have been very desperate at one point for a guy to "love" her.

I find her back story mildly interesting and do think it may have played a role in her very hard attitude now.
However still find her an appalling, nasty cow to watch in BB.

[calyman]

Originally Posted by Verbal

Take your average girl, 27 years old, likes a night out clubbing, been clubbing since she was 15. How many do you think she's had?

How does being paid for it make it different?

The one doing it for free is much more of a slapper imo.

The average 27 year old girl will try to "pull" someone she's attracted to. However the prostitute will pull a "punter" not based on attraction but on getting paid for it.

Now, how do you think the prostitute feels about the men she's serviced? I'm hazarding a guess that she probably generally despises them, or at the best; may feel indifferent to them. I have nothing against prostitutes but the lifestyle must adversely affect the prostitute. When sellling her body, she's also selling her self regard and experiencing the seedy side of life.

As Helen has evidenced this has contributed to her mean spirited and bullying attitude. I also think she is probably jealous of Jale, for despite being very plain, Jale has positively developed her own self worth and character, qualities that Helen clearly does not have.