[Niamh.]

I've added one above ^

[CaudleHalbard]

I don't think she'll dump him for Chris, somehow! Lol!

Thanks for posting the pic.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

I don't think she'll dump him for Chris, somehow! Lol!

Thanks for posting the pic.

No lol, she seems very committed to him which is nice to see imo, especially since she's so young as well. Did you hear him on BOTS last night? He sounded like a very nice and secure kind of a guy as well

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No lol, she seems very committed to him which is nice to see imo, especially since she's so young as well. Did you hear him on BOTS last night? He sounded like a very nice and secure kind of a guy as well

Yes. I heard him on BOTS.

[Daffodil]

She was right. Helen has not changed. Helen has simply gone into temporary hibernation after that final warning.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Daffodil

She was right. Helen has not changed. Helen has simply gone into temporary hibernation after that final warning.

[mrflibble]

Originally Posted by Daffodil

She was right. Helen has not changed. Helen has simply gone into temporary hibernation after that final warning.

I was just arguing with my mum about this. She only started watching religiously a couple of weeks ago so missed most of actual Helen and she likes Helen She thinks Helen, Ash and Winston are amazing and that Helen has grown and changed. But I believe it is just hibernation. I think perhaps she has learnt something about herself, but will snap back to her old self when she gets out.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by mrflibble

I was just arguing with my mum about this. She only started watching religiously a couple of weeks ago so missed most of actual Helen and she likes Helen She thinks Helen, Ash and Winston are amazing and that Helen has grown and changed. But I believe it is just hibernation. I think perhaps she has learnt something about herself, but will snap back to her old self when she gets out.

please accept helen will never ever change , its like asking a raspberry tart to become a cheery pie. she simply doesnt have the ingredients in the first place

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Daffodil

She was right. Helen has not changed. Helen has simply gone into temporary hibernation after that final warning.

Well that in itself shows a dramatic change as to self control then.
To have now for so many weeks been able to hold her temper better,no way could she have done that in the first week at all.

Ifsomeone is told to change their behaviour,then they can do 2 things, do so and alter it accordingly or be unable to and carry on as you are.
Clearly Helen has 'been' able to do the former, therefore that constitutes a huge change over all the last weeks.

[chuff me dizzy]

Emma called Chris creepy the other night, now all the sheep call him it too ,thank God I've never been a follower I think for myself

[susie q]

I thought she was spot on with both Chris & Helen. Apart from Chris turning into Jale,
she also said that Helen had shown no remorse for how she treated some of the other housemates. This has been demonstrated by her continuing to put Danielle down, even though she was the one who targeted her with Bianca.

[bots]

Helen needed to get noticed in the first few weeks so that she stood out from the crowd. The pass to the final allowed her to be as obnoxious as she liked in order to achieve that. She basically did what she knew how to do, and was successful at it. She has no need to make dramas now as she has control over her boys and is able to take centre stage whenever she chooses. Its not some life enhancing journey of self improvement she has been on, just the natural course of events.

[CaudleHalbard]

She got her degree in BS.

You only have to Google her name to see she is represented by several artiste agencies. She is basically a showbiz person.

[catherine2005]

Judy said that Helen hasn't changed because she can see the final and she is unrepentant about the way she has treated the other HMs. Basically if she had changed she would apologise or even acknowledge the nastiness that she has shown. When she was upset last week about her comment about Steven and Kim, she was asked in diary room if she was sorry for saying it. Her answer was in as she believes that what she says is always correct.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by catherine2005

Judy said that Helen hasn't changed because she can see the final and she is unrepentant about the way she has treated the other HMs. Basically if she had changed she would apologise or even acknowledge the nastiness that she has shown. When she was upset last week about her comment about Steven and Kim, she was asked in diary room if she was sorry for saying it. Her answer was in as she believes that what she says is always correct.

Helen has been able to see the final since the 2nd day of the series when she got the free pass,
It is weeks ago she got the final warning,loads has gone on since then.

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Helen has been able to see the final since the 2nd day of the series when she got the free pass,
It is weeks ago she got the final warning,loads has gone on since then.

This ^^ Plus i do believe Helen has apologised on occasions.

Judy James is on mute in my house, have no for the clap trap she comes out with.

[RockBottom]

Originally Posted by catherine2005

Judy said that Helen hasn't changed because she can see the final and she is unrepentant about the way she has treated the other HMs. Basically if she had changed she would apologise or even acknowledge the nastiness that she has shown. When she was upset last week about her comment about Steven and Kim, she was asked in diary room if she was sorry for saying it. Her answer was in as she believes that what she says is always correct.

I thought she was a body language expert. Now she is a Psychologist.

[Pincho Paxton]

I think it's hard for anyone to be 100% accurate all of the time. She got things right about Chris, and Helen.

Chris is getting too fond of Ashleigh, and using cuddles too much.
Helen hasn't changed. Her journey is all about herself, and not looking at the harm that she has done to others.

She got things wrong too...
Chris is scared of Helen, and cried with her (the crying looked fake to me)
Mark had a tantrum (the tantrum looked fake to me)

But even though she gets things wrong, she helps you to work things out for yourself.

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by Pincho Paxton

I think it's hard for anyone to be 100% accurate all of the time. She got things right about Chris, and Helen.

Chris is getting too fond of Ashleigh, and using cuddles too much.
Helen hasn't changed. Her journey is all about herself, and not looking at the harm that she has done to others.

She got things wrong too...
Chris is scared of Helen, and cried with her (the crying looked fake to me)
Mark had a tantrum (the tantrum looked fake to me)

But even though she gets things wrong, she helps you to work things out for yourself.

Have only seen Chris cuddle Ashleigh once and that was after she had her letter, he was so pleased for her. The HMs are generally cuddling each other so I guess he would have in that situation. Other than that he has been a gentleman toward her. Imo Chris is not scared of Helen. he wanted to understand her as he tries to understand everyone else along with himself. He thought he did at one stage and then he would get disapponted with her, it was sort of up and down with him.

[Beso]

she should analyse that bitch zoe...she's a mess.

[puzzled]

Some people lash out when they're feeling insecure or stressed. Has Helen changed? Is the real Helen the one we see now or the original Helen? Damned if I know.

[daniel-lewis-1985]

Since BB moved to Channel 5 she has been more concerned at becoming a celebrity than actually doing her job I think it added fuel to her ever expanding ego when she went into the house for the task with Rylan in BB14.

Shes actually been there since BB3 as far as I can remember when Sunday shows were 1 hour instead of the usual 30 minutes and psychologists would talk about the housemates behaviour throughout the episode.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

I love Judy James - I find her more interesting than the HMs themselves.

[muchadoaboutnothing]

I still love Judy James.

[Waynoo]

she has made fools of many in here when it comes to Helen. She was in hibernation. Judy James was spot on.