[jet]

Originally Posted by Achilles

No it is insulting to people who have been bullied when people deny bullying. Not only insulting but disgusting.

Apparently its okay these days to call someone a slug; to say fat ugly people are annoying; to say the Irish are uneducated and live in 'incestville'; to say you want certain singers 'to die'; to sit and poke fun at people and laugh at them in the BB house in public; to have other people you live with feel afraid of you; to have your own friends call you aggressive; to get numerous warnings for being nasty, name calling, and behavior that could be 'construed' as bullying. As what is seen as bullying behavoir is not the same for everyone, it is fair to say that many people see her as a bully.

But all that is overcome because she is seen as loyal to her own clique. That's easy. It's how she behaves to those NOT in her clique that shows what she is made of.
All that is overcome because some bleeding hearts see her as 'hurt by her hard life'. Hard life my ass. Look at the starving refugees who are in fear for their lives and those of their families. Look at families whose children are dying every day from hunger and disease. It is appalling to say that sorry excuse for a woman has had it hard.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jet

Apparently its okay these days to call someone a slug; to say fat ugly people are annoying; to say the Irish are uneducated and live in 'incestville'; to say you want certain singers 'to die'; to sit and poke fun at people and laugh at them in the BB house in public; to have other people you live with feel afraid of you; to have your own friends call you aggressive; to get numerous warnings for being nasty, name calling, and behavior that could be 'construed' as bullying. As what is seen as bullying behavoir is not the same for everyone, it is fair to say that many people see her as a bully.

But all that is overcome because she is seen as loyal to her own clique. That's easy. It's how she behaves to those NOT in her clique that shows what she is made of.
All that is overcome because some bleeding hearts see her as 'hurt by her hard life'. Hard life my ass. Look at the starving refugees who are in fear for their lives and those of their families. Look at families whose children are dying every day from hunger and disease. It is appalling to say that sorry excuse for a woman has had it hard.

i feel the public are being manipulated into voting for Helen, vulnerable my ass, tears of drunk self pity because even her friends had called her aggressive

[rubymoo]

It's always wrong to bully, but when people make Ashleigh out to be some sort of heroine it is actually sickening.

Helen has massive problems but are we to vote who's made the series worth watching, or someone who has given nothing like Sam from last year.

Is this a social experiment, a popularity contest, or to find the most boring HM?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some could say that Helen has been subject to some foul vile opinions on here (i've read them and they were disgusting!)

The same people who are arguing of her being vile are being vile themselves.

[Achilles]

The viewers get the winner they vote for. So on Friday we will find out whether the majority of viewers support bullying or side with those who stand against it.

[Vanessa]

it doesn't matter who wins for me now. helen is in the final and that's victory enough for me.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

It's always wrong to bully, but when people make Ashleigh out to be some sort of heroine it is actually sickening.

Helen has massive problems but are we to vote who's made the series worth watching, or someone who has given nothing like Sam from last year.

Is this a social experiment, a popularity contest, or to find the most boring HM?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some could say that Helen has been subject to some foul vile opinions on here (i've read them and they were disgusting!)

The same people who are arguing of her being vile are being vile themselves.

It is ALWAYS wrong to bully? It can't be, because Helen is being supported and she is a nasty bully.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

It's always wrong to bully, but when people make Ashleigh out to be some sort of heroine it is actually sickening.

Helen has massive problems but are we to vote who's made the series worth watching, or someone who has given nothing like Sam from last year.

Is this a social experiment, a popularity contest, or to find the most boring HM?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some could say that Helen has been subject to some foul vile opinions on here (i've read them and they were disgusting!)

The same people who are arguing of her being vile are being vile themselves.

Ashleigh the saint.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

it doesn't matter who wins for me now. helen is in the final and that's victory enough for me.

Anyone but Ashleigh. Right?

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Anyone but Ashleigh. Right?

Right. Anyone.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

Its down to a simple trick the mind plays, that familiarity breeds acceptance.

Helens behaviour was deplorable. But she's been around for so long that some have started to ignore all her bad traits and started to "blame" those who dislike her because of the aggression.

No, some people aren't of the "one or the other" mindset.

You don't need to exonerate Helen in order to see Ashleigh's bitter/negative/manipulative self. A lot of her fans however just support her simply because she's not Helen.

Oh, and she's 18 we can't forget that.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Why is it fabricated

It's common knowledge she was pregnant and living in a flat on her own.

That her siblings are smart and that she felt the thick one out of the family, i've read links on this forum that have said this.

That her parents had nothing to do with her, she see's her mum but it's not a close relationship.

Its made because you weren't there. You spun a story about how she feels, who she knows, how she thinks. You even over simplified her family history.

What does it actually take to be disowned by your own family?

You said it yourself, she comes from smart family. A family that she has to have abused to the point of breaking. Her behaviour in the house is a reflection of what she has been like her entire life. Aggressive to the bone.

Spinning an elaborate story to justify bad behaviour in the BB house, whats the point?

[Jules2]

For those who do not want Helen to win, on Oddschecker she has gone to 3rd favourite and I think her odds are shortening, so come on if we want our favourite three at the top we have to keep on voting as nothing is impossible.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

it doesn't matter who wins for me now. helen is in the final and that's victory enough for me.

Yes, she deserves it so much having survived so many public vot-oh wait

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Achilles

The viewers get the winner they vote for. So on Friday we will find out whether the majority of viewers support bullying or side with those who stand against it.

Trying to paint Ashleigh as some Anti-Bullying icon.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by MB&U

Yes, she deserves it so much having survived so many public vot-oh wait

She's still there and that's a victory for me.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by MB&U

Yes, she deserves it so much having survived so many public vot-oh wait

Don't be bitter, you sound like Ashleigh.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Trying to paint Ashleigh as some Anti-Bullying icon.

the irony is not lost on me.

[jet]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

It's always wrong to bully, but when people make Ashleigh out to be some sort of heroine it is actually sickening.

Helen has massive problems but are we to vote who's made the series worth watching, or someone who has given nothing like Sam from last year.

Is this a social experiment, a popularity contest, or to find the most boring HM?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some could say that Helen has been subject to some foul vile opinions on here (i've read them and they were disgusting!)

The same people who are arguing of her being vile are being vile themselves.

And if they go on BB to be judged people can vote to evict them or have them as their winner.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

It's always wrong to bully, but when people make Ashleigh out to be some sort of heroine it is actually sickening.

Helen has massive problems but are we to vote who's made the series worth watching, or someone who has given nothing like Sam from last year.

Is this a social experiment, a popularity contest, or to find the most boring HM?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some could say that Helen has been subject to some foul vile opinions on here (i've read them and they were disgusting!)

The same people who are arguing of her being vile are being vile themselves.

Ashleigh was bullied at school. She goes on Big Brother hoping to have fun and ends up being stuck in a house with a vile bully. Back in the school playground. How would you react if you were her? Why is it wrong to feel bad for Ashleigh? Am I evil? Should I change and become a champion supporter of the bullies of this world instead?

[kefln]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No, some people aren't of the "one or the other" mindset.

You don't need to exonerate Helen in order to see Ashleigh's bitter/negative/manipulative self. A lot of her fans however just support her simply because she's not Helen.

Oh, and she's 18 we can't forget that.

So in your point about how some people aren't one or the other, you have stated that people are just one, because of the other?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Achilles

She IS a bully, people who support her have NEVER been bullied. If they had ever been bullied they wouldn't defend her. Simple as that.

Incorrect.. i spent the majority of my school life being bullied and none of those people would have ever been suspected because they were supposedly the 'nice people' of the school, but because they were so sly and vindictive with it, it made it a whole lot worse.. Ashleigh remind me of every single person who had a part in it, rolled into one, so yes, i do support Helen and yes, i have been bullied so i know how it feels and looks like, Helen is definitely not a bully

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

So in your point about how some people aren't one or the other, you have stated that people are just one, because of the other?

"Some" being the operative word. That's kind of common sense.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Ashleigh was bullied at school.

I don't believe her.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Incorrect.. i spent the majority of my school life being bullied and none of those people would have ever been suspected because they were supposedly the 'nice people' of the school, but because they were so sly and vindictive with it, it made it a whole lot worse.. Ashleigh remind me of every single person who had a part in it, rolled into one, so yes, i do support Helen and yes, i have been bullied so i know how it feels and looks like, Helen is definitely not a bully

This! Ashleigh is sly and manipulative. She reminds me so much of the Mean Girls in that movie.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by jet

Apparently its okay these days to call someone a slug; to say fat ugly people are annoying; to say the Irish are uneducated and live in 'incestville'; to say you want certain singers 'to die'; to sit and poke fun at people and laugh at them in the BB house in public; to have other people you live with feel afraid of you; to have your own friends call you aggressive; to get numerous warnings for being nasty, name calling, and behavior that could be 'construed' as bullying. As what is seen as bullying behavoir is not the same for everyone, it is fair to say that many people see her as a bully.

But all that is overcome because she is seen as loyal to her own clique. That's easy. It's how she behaves to those NOT in her clique that shows what she is made of.
All that is overcome because some bleeding hearts see her as 'hurt by her hard life'. Hard life my ass. Look at the starving refugees who are in fear for their lives and those of their families. Look at families whose children are dying every day from hunger and disease. It is appalling to say that sorry excuse for a woman has had it hard.