[kefln]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Helen is a very complex character, i believe she has no filter and speaks before her brain is engaged.

She was without parental input from 16, this is a time when teenagers push at boundaries the most, because there were no boundaries she lived life to her own agenda, which included her being pregnant.

She probably surrounded herself with the same sort of people she was (rebellious teenagers), and has carved herself a life that the only person she answers to is herself.

That is why she is so full on, in her life her language is normal, she would class her arguments as a debate, she says what goes in her life because she only answers to herself, she feels threatened by smart people because her siblings are smart and she wasn't and she felt like the stupid one in her family that was a let down, therefore her words became a weapon she could use to pull people down to make her feel superior.

I do actually feel sad for Helen and believe that she is a victim to herself, she's learnt a lot of behaviour that needs to be unlearnt, and her tears in the diary room when she asked "why is it always me?" shows how much of a victim she has felt through her life.

I don't class Helen as a bully, she is massively misunderstood and a part of me wants her to win as she has been the person who has made this years BB.

So you have made up an entire backstory about Helen?

Its a complete fabrication. Ignore every bit of bad behaviour and create an elaborate story instead?

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by kefln

So you have made up an entire backstory about Helen?

Its a complete fabrication. Ignore every bit of bad behaviour and create an elaborate story instead?

Why is it fabricated

It's common knowledge she was pregnant and living in a flat on her own.

That her siblings are smart and that she felt the thick one out of the family, i've read links on this forum that have said this.

That her parents had nothing to do with her, she see's her mum but it's not a close relationship.

[kefln]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Why is it fabricated

It's common knowledge she was pregnant and living in a flat on her own.

That her siblings are smart and that she felt the thick one out of the family, i've read links on this forum that have said this.

That her parents had nothing to do with her, she see's her mum but it's not a close relationship.

Its made because you weren't there. You spun a story about how she feels, who she knows, how she thinks. You even over simplified her family history.

What does it actually take to be disowned by your own family?

You said it yourself, she comes from smart family. A family that she has to have abused to the point of breaking. Her behaviour in the house is a reflection of what she has been like her entire life. Aggressive to the bone.

Spinning an elaborate story to justify bad behaviour in the BB house, whats the point?

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by kefln

Its made because you weren't there. You spun a story about how she feels, who she knows, how she thinks. You even over simplified her family history.

What does it actually take to be disowned by your own family?

You said it yourself, she comes from smart family. A family that she has to have abused to the point of breaking. Her behaviour in the house is a reflection of what she has been like her entire life. Aggressive to the bone.

Spinning an elaborate story to justify bad behaviour in the BB house, whats the point?

I do believe i used the word probably, which would indicate i am making an assumption, everything else i have mentioned i have read via links or from BB, oh and just so you know a suicide is what it takes to be disowned from your family.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by kefln

Its made because you weren't there. You spun a story about how she feels, who she knows, how she thinks. You even over simplified her family history.

What does it actually take to be disowned by your own family?

You said it yourself, she comes from smart family. A family that she has to have abused to the point of breaking. Her behaviour in the house is a reflection of what she has been like her entire life. Aggressive to the bone.

Spinning an elaborate story to justify bad behaviour in the BB house, whats the point?

Now you know what she was like her entire life? Now you presume to know what her parents were like?



They're middle class, they couldn't have been bad parents. That's impossible!

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by kefln

So you have made up an entire backstory about Helen?

Its a complete fabrication. Ignore every bit of bad behaviour and create an elaborate story instead?

Not only is it a made up back story, the real back story is ignored. Helen making disgusting comments about Irish people on social media. Helen bullying an Irish person on Big Brother.

[rubymoo]

All you Helen haters are only going to chuck more votes her way, so carry on and keep it up

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

All you Helen haters are only going to chuck more votes her way, so carry on and keep it up

This is so true! Keep going!

[Fendertele]

I think if any-one on this Forum were in the house, and was on the receiving end of Helen, they would feel just how other HM's feel about her and her clique. People like Helen operate on the fear of what might happen if you cross them, firstly, they pick on weaker people in a group who are outsiders, with not much to back them up, they then do what Helen has done, shout them down, swear at them and belittle them, the line is then drawn, and that fear of ridicule alone in front of a group of people, is enough to make some weaker people join her, that's how this sort of behaviour operates, be it in school, the work place etc, etc,.....Then you have the bullies clique forming, I have seen this happen in life, time and time again.

[rubymoo]

It's always wrong to bully, but when people make Ashleigh out to be some sort of heroine it is actually sickening.

Helen has massive problems but are we to vote who's made the series worth watching, or someone who has given nothing like Sam from last year.

Is this a social experiment, a popularity contest, or to find the most boring HM?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some could say that Helen has been subject to some foul vile opinions on here (i've read them and they were disgusting!)

The same people who are arguing of her being vile are being vile themselves.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

It's always wrong to bully, but when people make Ashleigh out to be some sort of heroine it is actually sickening.

Helen has massive problems but are we to vote who's made the series worth watching, or someone who has given nothing like Sam from last year.

Is this a social experiment, a popularity contest, or to find the most boring HM?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some could say that Helen has been subject to some foul vile opinions on here (i've read them and they were disgusting!)

The same people who are arguing of her being vile are being vile themselves.

It is ALWAYS wrong to bully? It can't be, because Helen is being supported and she is a nasty bully.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Achilles

It is ALWAYS wrong to bully? It can't be, because Helen is being supported and she is a nasty bully.

People are entitled to support who they want to.

I'm lucky enough to be able to understand that there's a reason for Helen's behaviour, she is a very sad human being that struggles to live in an adult world effectively, she does feel threatened by other people which is why she goes into gobby mode, the language she uses is acceptable within her friendship circle, i've never heard of anyone being called a slug or a wasp so maybe it's an area thing, and Helen would be my nightmare, but she is not Satan and Ashleigh is not an Angel they are people.

I was bullied as an adult in the work place, everytime by a woman, but i look back at those times and know it was them with the problem not me, they felt threatened by me.

I hasten to add that i always had the last laugh

[Jules2]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

People are entitled to support who they want to.

I'm lucky enough to be able to understand that there's a reason for Helen's behaviour, she is a very sad human being that struggles to live in an adult world effectively, she does feel threatened by other people which is why she goes into gobby mode, the language she uses is acceptable within her friendship circle, i've never heard of anyone being called a slug or a wasp so maybe it's an area thing, and Helen would be my nightmare, but she is not Satan and Ashleigh is not an Angel they are people.

I was bullied as an adult in the work place, everytime by a woman, but i look back at those times and know it was them with the problem not me, they felt threatened by me.

I hasten to add that i always had the last laugh

Aw Ruby I sympathise with you but the last laugh isnt always the best laugh. There are many of us who can see the reason for each HMs behaviour, many of us have been through trials and tribulations but to be rewarded with a vast amount of money isnt really the way forward imo. We are all on a learning curb and the money could be to say well done your behaviour was impeccable. What a HM gains in one way that HM risks losing in another and respect is a great reward to own. Money, whilst a good energy, does not always fill a need for acceptance. Once it is gone what is there left if one has lost their self respect?

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Jules2

Aw Ruby I sympathise with you but the last laugh isnt always the best laugh. There are many of us who can see the reason for each HMs behaviour, many of us have been through trials and tribulations but to be rewarded with a vast amount of money isnt really the way forward imo. We are all on a learning curb and the money could be to say well done your behaviour was impeccable. What a HM gains in one way that HM risks losing in another and respect is a great reward to own. Money, whilst a good energy to own, does not always fill a need for acceptance.

It was for me!!!

The assistant manager ended up divorcing her husband and going bankrupt, before having a nervous breakdown, a supervisor was made redundant and couldn't get another job due to her age, and another manager was shut down by the health authorities.......karmas a bitch but i live her!

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

It's always wrong to bully, but when people make Ashleigh out to be some sort of heroine it is actually sickening.

Helen has massive problems but are we to vote who's made the series worth watching, or someone who has given nothing like Sam from last year.

Is this a social experiment, a popularity contest, or to find the most boring HM?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some could say that Helen has been subject to some foul vile opinions on here (i've read them and they were disgusting!)

The same people who are arguing of her being vile are being vile themselves.

Ashleigh the saint.

[jet]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

It's always wrong to bully, but when people make Ashleigh out to be some sort of heroine it is actually sickening.

Helen has massive problems but are we to vote who's made the series worth watching, or someone who has given nothing like Sam from last year.

Is this a social experiment, a popularity contest, or to find the most boring HM?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some could say that Helen has been subject to some foul vile opinions on here (i've read them and they were disgusting!)

The same people who are arguing of her being vile are being vile themselves.

And if they go on BB to be judged people can vote to evict them or have them as their winner.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

It's always wrong to bully, but when people make Ashleigh out to be some sort of heroine it is actually sickening.

Helen has massive problems but are we to vote who's made the series worth watching, or someone who has given nothing like Sam from last year.

Is this a social experiment, a popularity contest, or to find the most boring HM?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but some could say that Helen has been subject to some foul vile opinions on here (i've read them and they were disgusting!)

The same people who are arguing of her being vile are being vile themselves.

Ashleigh was bullied at school. She goes on Big Brother hoping to have fun and ends up being stuck in a house with a vile bully. Back in the school playground. How would you react if you were her? Why is it wrong to feel bad for Ashleigh? Am I evil? Should I change and become a champion supporter of the bullies of this world instead?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Ashleigh was bullied at school.

I don't believe her.

[MB.]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Everyone is entitled to their opinion

The only relevant part of this post

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't believe her.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by MB&U

Well, she's proven herself to be a sly liar so I have no choice but to question most of what comes out of her mouth.

[Achilles]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't believe her.

Believe or care?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Believe or care?

Why would I care about her being bullied at school? I don't know her, I never went to school with her, she's now an adult no longer in school? I don't see your point.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Ashleigh was bullied at school. She goes on Big Brother hoping to have fun and ends up being stuck in a house with a vile bully. Back in the school playground. How would you react if you were her? Why is it wrong to feel bad for Ashleigh? Am I evil? Should I change and become a champion supporter of the bullies of this world instead?

I have asked you 3 times to clarify this for me. Can you please refer me to where Ashleigh has said she was bullied at school. If you are going to repeatedly say it, please support it

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Achilles

Ashleigh was bullied at school. She goes on Big Brother hoping to have fun and ends up being stuck in a house with a vile bully. Back in the school playground. How would you react if you were her? Why is it wrong to feel bad for Ashleigh? Am I evil? Should I change and become a champion supporter of the bullies of this world instead?

Helen feels intimidated by Ashleigh imo because Ashleigh is smart and that makes her feel insecure so she reacts by being loud, uses vulgar language and is dominant because she feels threatened, look into her past and try to understand that she reacts because of her own insecurities try to see beyond the foul language, she isn't black and white.

Helen is a product of her past and her poor choices.

I don't know how i would be if i was in the house, i'd like to think i could hold my own.

And why would you be evil??? Your opinion is very valid and you express your feelings in a forum that allows this, you are passionate about your favourite, but just remember that sometimes when someone is so passionate, you will inadvertently cause people to express their opinions in an equally passionate way that will probably go against how you feel.

[Achilles]

The viewers get the winner they vote for. So on Friday we will find out whether the majority of viewers support bullying or side with those who stand against it.