[Nedusa]

Having read the last few Posts this morning I think this is a difficult subject to debate and a complicated one at that.

Passions can be aroused on both sides of the debate which can quickly turn into personal jibes (my apologies if any of my posts yesterday fell into this category).

I think threads on this particular topic do nobody any favours if I'm honest.

[empire]

A word of warning, if the little state dare tried, Russia will fire a couple of nukes at them, and it is bye bye to the world,

[arista]

Originally Posted by empire

A word of warning, if the little state dare tried, Russia will fire a couple of nukes at them, and it is bye bye to the world,

Bang On Right empire

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Livia

How many times has Iran, Iraq, Syria... a myriad of Arab countries - but especially Iran - said they they will wipe Israel off the face of the Earth? Why no thread when that happens? Only a reaction when Israel says the same thing the Arabs have been saying for... well actually, for centuries.

I don't think they've ever said it....do you have the direct quote or the direst misquote from the Israeli propaganda channel/fox news......they long to see an end to Zionism etc but I don't recall the exact words that fox and you have just regurgitated...lets face it Israel has zero right to steal land and steal country 2000 years after allegedly passing through there. its as dumb as an Italian laying claim to my house in mid wales because it was own by the romans 2000 years ago. Israel is an insane project that should never have happened and sadly will never work.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Having read the last few Posts this morning I think this is a difficult subject to debate and a complicated one at that.

Passions can be aroused on both sides of the debate which can quickly turn into personal jibes (my apologies if any of my posts yesterday fell into this category).

I think threads on this particular topic do nobody any favours if I'm honest.

trouble is no one is allowed to really debate it in mainstream media. theyre simply too scared of being labelled anti semitic

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by the truth

I don't think they've ever said it....do you have the direct quote or the direst misquote from the Israeli propaganda channel/fox news......they long to see an end to Zionism etc but I don't recall the exact words that fox and you have just regurgitated...lets face it Israel has zero right to steal land and steal country 2000 years after allegedly passing through there. its as dumb as an Italian laying claim to my house in mid wales because it was own by the romans 2000 years ago. Israel is an insane project that should never have happened and sadly will never work.

"Vanish from the page of time," according to wiki, that is the direct translation, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud...22_controversy). That's as bad as threatening to wipe a country off the map, if not worse.

As far as taking land, that is done all the time by companies and countries, and a lot of the time they write their own laws and answer to no one. And my point is, ownership of land can always be questioned. And what is right and wrong is very subjective.

And Israel is a modern country, it's surrounded by countries that are hostile to it. It's not an insane project. It's home to a lot of people who only want to live in peace.

Iran and the US seem to have gotten somewhat closer because of the war in Syria. I think the Israeli leader was just taking an opportunity to remind the US that Iran is not a real friend.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

"Vanish from the page of time," according to wiki, that is the direct translation, (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud...22_controversy). That's as bad as threatening to wipe a country off the map, if not worse.

As far as taking land, that is done all the time by companies and countries, and a lot of the time they write their own laws and answer to no one. And my point is, ownership of land can always be questioned. And what is right and wrong is very subjective.

And Israel is a modern country, it's surrounded by countries that are hostile to it. It's not an insane project. It's home to a lot of people who only want to live in peace.

Iran and the US seem to have gotten somewhat closer because of the war in Syria. I think the Israeli leader was just taking an opportunity to remind the US that Iran is not a real friend.

dishonest editing as always....Zionism to disappear from the page...NOT Israel. ...but at least you've accidentally admitted the term wipe Israel off the map wasnever said and should never be used to justify world war 3 and the mass killing of 100s of thousands of innocents.
to Palestinians who have had their country stolen tens of thousands killed and bombed out of existence and most human rights taken away, isn't it natural for them to wish for an end to the Zionist movement that has seen them suffer so much? to the Palestinians the Zionist movement is as evil as the Nazis were to the rest fo the world

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by the truth

dishonest editing as always....Zionism to disappear from the page...NOT Israel.
to Palestinians who have had their country stolen tens of thousands killed and bombed out of existence and most human rights taken away, isn't it natural for them to wish for an end to the Zionist movement that has seen them suffer so much? to the Palestinians the Zionist movement is as evil as the Nazis were to the rest fo the world

But isn't Zionism one of the reasons Israel is there? (I've just looked up the word, so forgive me if I'm a bit off). So without Zionism there would be no Israel as we know it. I don't see any dishonesty.

Do you really believe that the Iranian Government wants the best for the people of Israel?

And the Islamic side of this debate is the one who is beheading people and wiping out villages, the extremists in Judaism seem to only grow ringlets and quote scripture.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

But isn't Zionism one of the reasons Israel is there? (I've just looked up the word, so forgive me if I'm a bit off). So without Zionism there would be no Israel as we know it. I don't see any dishonesty.

Do you really believe that the Iranian Government wants the best for the people of Israel?

And the Islamic side of this debate is the one who is beheading people and wiping out villages, the extremists in Judaism seem to only grow ringlets and quote scripture.

pls don't be so absurd , the israels stole a country and bombed the Palestinians into smitherseens every day ever since we help found this horrific country 60 odd years ago....they didn't say Israel in your misquote they say Zionism..the Zionism movement has been an evil one, that's butchered tens of thousands....the victims have every right to wish to see such a movement end

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by the truth

pls don't be so absurd , the israels stole a country and bombed the Palestinians into smitherseens every day ever since we help found this horrific country 60 odd years ago....they didn't say Israel in your misquote they say Zionism..the Zionism movement has been an evil one, that's butchered tens of thousands....the victims have every right to wish to see such a movement end

I don't see how your point of view will help make the world more peaceful. It seems to me if you had your way there would be no Israel.

And there are lots of conflicts in the world that are ongoing, ones that way more people are being killed in, so why chose this one. There have been half a million deaths in the Somalian civil war, land is being stolen. In the Israel Palestine war, about 25 thousand have died, land is being stolen.

I leave it up to you to figure out if you're antisemetic.

And you seem to be one hung up on that quote and you're totally mistaken, it was said by someone from Iran, not Palestine.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I don't see how your point of view will help make the world more peaceful. It seems to me if you had your way there would be no Israel.

And there are lots of conflicts in the world that are ongoing, ones that way more people are being killed in, so why chose this one. There have been half a million deaths in the Somalian civil war, land is being stolen. In the Israel Palestine war, about 25 thousand have died, land is being stolen.

I leave it up to you to figure out if you're antisemetic.

And you seem to be one hung up on that quote and you're totally mistaken, it was said by someone from Iran, not Palestine.

im glad you admit you were wrong now. the quote was a lie and its being used to justify the deaths fo thousands....of course you now predictable try to change the subject........pathetically transparent. the disgraceful country of Israel should never have been set up. everything ever since has been a disaster and will continue to be so..ill leave it to you to work out if youre anti Islamic....if this threatens world war 3....don't you think all humans have a right to speak about it??

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by the truth

im glad you admit you were wrong now. the quote was a lie and its being used to justify the deaths fo thousands....of course you now predictable try to change the subject........pathetically transparent. the disgraceful country of Israel should never have been set up. everything ever since has been a disaster and will continue to be so....if it threatens world war 3....don't you think all humans have a right to speak about it??

I don't mind that you have an opinion, and it doesn't really bother me that you've taken a side. But according to the media the next world war is always imminent, it changes from north korea, to russia, to iran, to someone else next. After one story runs it's course, another starts up.

As far as the Israel and Palestine thing, we kinda have an expert on the situation here, someone who spends a lot of time there and I'm inclined to trust her when it comes to this. She mentioned before that people on both sides do wrong to each other. So the solution would be to have people who want peace governing both sides, unfortunately that seems like a long way off.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

I don't mind that you have an opinion, and it doesn't really bother me that you've taken a side. But according to the media the next world war is always imminent, it changes from north korea, to russia, to iran, to someone else next. After one story runs it's course, another starts up.

As far as the Israel and Palestine thing, we kinda have an expert on the situation here, someone who spends a lot of time there and I'm inclined to trust her when it comes to this. She mentioned before that people on both sides do wrong to each other. So the solution would be to have people who want peace governing both sides, unfortunately that seems like a long way off.

other than the fact all healthy debate over Israel is banned across the western world, which is wholly unhealthy and dangerous, what worries me most and should worry the whole world is netenyahu has a plethora of missiles...and has already proved himself to be warmonger

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by the truth

other than the fact all healthy debate over Israel is banned across the western world, which is wholly unhealthy and dangerous, what worries me most and should worry the whole world is netenyahu has a plethora of missiles...and has already proved himself to be warmonger

I see debate on this subject is banned on this forum also.

As my earlier post has mysteriously vanished I ask the question to whoever runs this website...

What is the point of having a serious debate forum if you delete posts that speak the uncomfortable truth about a subject.

Freedom of speech on this forum is now clearly impossible.

Perhaps at the start of each thread we should be told what we can and cannot say.

Makes this site a bit rubbish if I'm honest and total waste of time.

Been posting on here for years but this is just blatant censorship.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

And the Islamic side of this debate is the one who is beheading people and wiping out villages, the extremists in Judaism seem to only grow ringlets and quote scripture.

I would suggest that you look up Meir Kahane and the "Jewish Defense League", or the "unofficial" militant groups of Jewish young men and boys who patrol Gaza. Whilst we're not talking about the level of "wiping out villages", this idea that there is no such thing as Jewish or Christian extremism is, as always, nonsense.

[arista]

"As my earlier post has mysteriously vanished I ask the question to whoever runs this website..."

Do not go there


Mark owns this Forum
James and the Team run it.

You can ask admin if they know
why your post got Deleted
Or maybe later they will tell you
but be polite about it
I know you have that quality
and I sometimes Lack that.

Life In The City

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by arista

"As my earlier post has mysteriously vanished I ask the question to whoever runs this website..."

Do not go there


Mark owns this Forum
James and the Team run it.

You can ask admin if they know
why your post got Deleted
Or maybe later they will tell you
but be polite about it
I know you have that quality
and I sometimes Lack that.

Life In The City

But Arista, I try and ensure all posts stay the right side of the rules, I do not set out to incite hatred and would avoid "hate speech" at all costs.

But if a subject is worthy of extreme criticism and my viewpoint is quite extreme then surely I should be allowed to express my feelings.

also my views are well shared and borne out by facts so again I ask the question why is this view not allowed to stand on a forum that purports to encourage "Serious Debate and News".......

Looks like censorship to me............

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

But Arista, I try and ensure all posts stay the right side of the rules, I do not set out to incite hatred and would avoid "hate speech" at all costs.

But if a subject is worthy of extreme criticism and my viewpoint is quite extreme then surely I should be allowed to express my feelings.

also my views are well shared and borne out by facts so again I ask the question why is this view not allowed to stand on a forum that purports to encourage "Serious Debate and News".......

Looks like censorship to me............

I reported your post, Nedusa. I reported it because it was highly insulting and inflammatory. Several of your posts have been insulting but I took particular exception to that post, especially since I'd stepped out of the thread because of your reaction to my posts and yet you continued to insult me indirectly. You will deny it, no doubt. But we both know. And frankly, I'm surprised you haven't been warned over your comments.

The only censorship going on here is the hysterical stance of the strongly pro-Palestine posters. I understand you're passionate about the subject but this has seemingly rendered you incapable to having a discussion about this subject. I feel I have been shut down, insulted and silenced, even though I've never once said that the Israelis are right in all aspects of what they do, I've simply tried to talk about the bigger picture. You've told me twice not to defend the indefensible and some of your posts are insulting and offensive.

I would be more than happy to have a non-hysterical discussion about this, but am unable to. That looks like censorship to me.

[user104658]

Youtube video

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Youtube video

Yes a great Clip.



Israel has Full Rights to protect itself

[Niamh.]

Back on topic please. Nedusa you should be able to discuss a topic and your point of view without calling people who disagree with your stance ignorant and stupid

[arista]

"Looks like censorship to me............"


No you are wrong
other sites are Far Far Worse
making this site one of the best in the World

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Back on topic please. Nedusa you should be able to discuss a topic and your point of view without calling people who disagree with your stance ignorant and stupid

OK.......Sorry , My Apologies

I will refrain from posting on this topic as I find it difficult to remain dispassionate.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by arista

"Looks like censorship to me............"


No you are wrong
other sites are Far Far Worse
making this site one of the best in the World

This is actually true, Tibby censorship is low as forums go. I can only think of two that I've been on that had less, and I owned one of them. The other was a little secret haven of COMPLETE freedom of speech with a very select membership and zero censorship. Sadly, all of the members have moved on now. I miss it... it was Darwinian.

Anyway, yes, I agree - this forum is really quite flexible when it comes to what you can and can't say. I've only had a handful of infractions... I've been banned on other forums for less.

[arista]

"I've been banned on other forums for less. "


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