[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Whatever twisted perception anyone has is of no concern to me, this relates to religion, political correctness does come into it as here politics and religion clash...
As much as I an against religion if that's how someone lives their life I'm for that, not sure if you noticed that.

Yes.....I know that

I guess what I'm saying is although I don't agree with the Printer's reasons for not giving work to this person, I have to accept that the printer has the final say in who he gives work to and if through some outdated misguided religious dogma he feels unable to associate with Gay people then that is his problem.

But to try and publicize and call for his business to be ruined or for him to face some kind of legal redress for holding these religious views is also wrong.

You cannot force someone to take an unfamiliar or alien view only educate them so they realise their traditional view is unfair,unjust and has no place in the modern World.

[Marsh.]

A gay hairdresser?! WTF?????

[Jessica.]

As I said previously, I don't think such a big deal should have been made about it but it's an extremely ridiculous reason to refuse service and it was probably very upsetting for the couple who were probably very happy to be taking a huge step towards their big day.

Another thing I don't understand is that I haven't seen anyone stories about people refusing service to people who break other rules the bible says such as don't get tattoos or eat pork. It even says not to drink alcohol in a church. Why is the gay stuff the only thing people find so offensive?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

As I said previously, I don't think such a big deal should have been made about it but it's an extremely ridiculous reason to refuse service and it was probably very upsetting for the couple who were probably very happy to be taking a huge step towards their big day.

Another thing I don't understand is that I haven't seen anyone stories about people refusing service to people who break other rules the bible says such as don't get tattoos or eat pork. It even says not to drink alcohol in a church. Why is the gay stuff the only thing people find so offensive?

Yep or refusing to do wedding invitations for a woman or man who is divorced

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yep or refusing to do wedding invitations for a woman or man who is divorced

Do they normally include that on the invitations?

"You are cordially invited to Alicia Jenkins' fifth wedding in 10 years"

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

As I said previously, I don't think such a big deal should have been made about it but it's an extremely ridiculous reason to refuse service and it was probably very upsetting for the couple who were probably very happy to be taking a huge step towards their big day.

Another thing I don't understand is that I haven't seen anyone stories about people refusing service to people who break other rules the bible says such as don't get tattoos or eat pork. It even says not to drink alcohol in a church. Why is the gay stuff the only thing people find so offensive?

Not drinking alcohol in church isn't really the same thing.

It's like saying a library wants you to be quiet..... throughout your life.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not drinking alcohol in church isn't really the same thing.

It's like saying a library wants you to be quiet..... throughout your life.

Well who decides what to ignore and what not to? I just don't understand it.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Well who decides what to ignore and what not to? I just don't understand it.

Well not drinking in church =/= never drink alcohol.

Just as if I didn't allow people to wear shoes in my house on my lovely carpet doesn't mean I don't agree with shoes.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well not drinking in church =/= never drink alcohol.

Just as if I didn't allow people to wear shoes in my house on my lovely carpet doesn't mean I don't agree with shoes.

But people drink in church all the time Morsh, the priests have wine to represent Jesus' blood.

[Crimson Dynamo]

would the christian printer have to have gay sex with the couple?

if so then I am with the printer here, sorry


I know that the gays are keen for new members but that is too far



(perhaps a handjob if it were a big order)

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

would the christian printer have to have gay sex with the couple?

if so then I am with the printer here, sorry


I know that the gays are keen for new members but that is too far



(perhaps a handjob if it were a big order)

LOL... you're an arse, LT.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

would the christian printer have to have gay sex with the couple?

if so then I am with the printer here, sorry


I know that the gays are keen for new members but that is too far



(perhaps a handjob if it were a big order)

How heavy is that fcuking Dog in your Avatar picture......

[Mokka]

Similar case in the states:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...cake/22771685/

Bakery owners end up losing their business and will be paying a hefty fine for their "religious stance"

Was it worth it?

[Livia]

The thing that really aggravates me about these stories is... and this isn't going to be popular... but if that couple had gone to a Muslim printer and he's refused them, I think most people would have said well, fair enough then...

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Livia

The thing that really aggravates me about these stories is... and this isn't going to be popular... but if that couple had gone to a Muslim printer and he's refused them, I think most people would have said well, fair enough then...

if this was the case, it wouldn't even reach the media/social websites etc etc

the main reason people are so bothered about it is because they can bitch about christians

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

The thing that really aggravates me about these stories is... and this isn't going to be popular... but if that couple had gone to a Muslim printer and he's refused them, I think most people would have said well, fair enough then...

Originally Posted by Chaos

if this was the case, it wouldn't even reach the media/social websites etc etc

the main reason people are so bothered about it is because they can bitch about christians

Oh come on, we had a story here just yesterday about a gay man being thrown off a roof for being gay........ I haven't actually heard a story similar to this one in Ireland, if I did I would post about that too

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Chaos

if this was the case, it wouldn't even reach the media/social websites etc etc

the main reason people are so bothered about it is because they can bitch about christians

A homosexual is denied a service on the single basis of a persons personal beliefs that their sexuality is 'wrong' and you somehow flip this into an attack on Christians.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Livia

The thing that really aggravates me about these stories is... and this isn't going to be popular... but if that couple had gone to a Muslim printer and he's refused them, I think most people would have said well, fair enough then...

That's the exact same situation though. What's the different between a Catholic homophobe and a Muslim homophobe?

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

That's the exact same situation though. What's the different between a Catholic homophobe and a Muslim homophobe?

Yes exactly. I bet you wont see britain first moaning about this.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

That's the exact same situation though. What's the different between a Catholic homophobe and a Muslim homophobe?

So this guy is a homophobe because he want to follow his Christian beliefs, what does that make the gay couple then?

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So this guy is a homophobe because he want to follow his Christian beliefs, what does that make the gay couple then?

Yes, everyone who feels an aversion to homosexuality is homophobic, I don't believe homophobia is a strong word though, there are all kinds of homophobes and I'm sure most don't vocalise their dislike so that doesn't bother me as long as nobody is being discriminated.

Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It can be expressed as antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred, may be based on irrational fear, and is sometimes related to religious beliefs.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Yes, everyone who feels an aversion to homosexuality is homophobic, I don't believe homophobia is a strong word though, there are all kinds of homophobes and I'm sure most don't vocalise their dislike so that doesn't bother me as long as nobody is being discriminated.

But they are following the teaching of their religion, it doesn't automatically follow that they have negative attitudes to gays! Just that perhaps they like to stick to the code laid down by their religion.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

That's the exact same situation though. What's the different between a Catholic homophobe and a Muslim homophobe?

Public perception.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

The thing that really aggravates me about these stories is... and this isn't going to be popular... but if that couple had gone to a Muslim printer and he's refused them, I think most people would have said well, fair enough then...

Exactly Christians should have atleast the same rights as muslims.But this couple would'nt have gone to a muslim printers because they know the answer they'd get and they'd probably accept it easier because they're muslim.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Exactly Christians should have atleast the same rights as muslims.But this couple would'nt have gone to a muslim printers because they know the answer they'd get and they'd probably accept it easier because they're muslim.

I don't think there are very many Muslim printers over here tbqh, I work in a business that deal with alot of printers around the country for the last 15 years and so far I haven't come across one