[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Helen 28

I will be voting UKIP same as last time, won't change anything round here though as the area is strong Conservative.

It matters not Helen, it shows you are intelligent and - as Arista would say - Most Wise

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

It matters not Helen, it shows you are intelligent and - as Arista would say - Most Wise

This just in: your personal opinions are now an indication of your intelligence!!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I'm voting UKIP because although Farage MIGHT be lying, that's not an absolute, but with the others they are all PROVEN liars.

Call me racist if you like but I'm the son of immigrants (one anyway).
Call me colour prejudiced if you like but I'm a lovely shade of brown.

Call me a fool if you like for believing Farage, but I have voted in many elections for Labour and the Tories and been PROVED a fool as they both got power and both reneged on pre-election promises and left the country in a worse state than it was before.

I will give Nige a chance, and if it transpires after the election results that he has no chance, then I will be content to think of my vote as a 'protest vote' against Labour and the Tories, and whichever one does get elected, my conscience will be clear when they feck up yet again, because I will not have voted for them.

Me call that Win Win.

So you would have preferred if your immigrant parent was turned away at Customs Kirk?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So you would have preferred if your immigrant parent was turned away at Customs Kirk?

yes if he or she was bringing nothing to the country and was just here for a free ride

we have enough layabouts that are homegrown

[Nedusa]

Yes......UKIP will get my protest vote

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes if he or she was bringing nothing to the country and was just here for a free ride

we have enough layabouts that are homegrown

I'm assuming that is not the case though and also Kirk's parent went on to contribute Kirk to the nation who is in turn hard working etc etc

[waterhog]

even if you go and put a x on every party so your vote is void -

[MTVN]

Yes but I'm not 100% convinced yet where mine will go and my constituency is one of the safest Tory seats in the country which takes some of the interest away from it. Voting is a personal choice as well imo and I have no problem with people who don't vote.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Yes......UKIP will get my protest vote

So in protest of the establishment, I am assuming, you are going to vote in protest for..... another establishment party! Woah

[the truth]

yes but still cant find anyone I detest little enough to earn my vote

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by arista

Why are you Locked Up?

No, Guernsey isn't governed by the UK government so we don't vote here

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

So in protest of the establishment, I am assuming, you are going to vote in protest for..... another establishment party! Woah

No.... UKIP are not established they are a protest party , hence my vote

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

So in protest of the establishment, I am assuming, you are going to vote in protest for..... another establishment party! Woah

But they're led by that great anti-establishment bloke Nige. You know, that privately educated ex-banker, who's just like the rest of us

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

No.... UKIP are not established they are a protest party , hence my vote

No, the establishment and established parties are different things. Nigel Farage fits into the establishment very well - as Jack said, a privately educated ex-banker. He was even a part of the conservatives previously!

[Northern Monkey]

Yep.As always.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So you would have preferred if your immigrant parent was turned away at Customs Kirk?

Cherie my love - I wish to make a few things clear.

When I speak of the 'indigenous' people of this country in my posts, I am referring to the composite people living here now who are chiefly the result of over a thousand years or more of continued intermixing and breeding between many diverse cultures, races, religions and ethnicities - from the ancient Picts, Celts, Romans (from many different countries of the Roman Empire) Jutes, Anglo-Saxons, Vikings and Normans etc to more modern day immigrants such as Jamaicans, Asians, Eastern Europeans etc.etc. There is NO such thing as pure English or pure British.

When I oppose our current 'Open Door' policy on immigration, it is not through any 'racist' motive - but Economic and National Security ones, though I will not go into either here, because I have previously written other lengthy posts on both, and this is not the thread to expound such topics.

My father worked all his life down the coal mines apart from 12 years during which he served in the British Army including the entire Second World War fighting overseas - which is when he met and married my mother.

My mother came to this country as the wife of a serving soldier - a genuine marriage far removed from the highly orchestrated 'fake' marriages so prevalent now among immigrants as a way of illegally entering this country - and she came here highly educated, highly qualified, and conversant in the English language.

She worked three jobs for most of her life, yet lived in a state of poverty far lower than she had ever known in her own country before it was ravaged by war, but she never complained and remained to her dying day eternally grateful to this country for welcoming her in and FIERCELY patriotic to it. Not for her, the anti-British bile and incitements to violence spewed by certain of today's treacherous immigrants who despise this country which has embraced them and who have nothing but contempt for the 'indigenous' population whose taxes sustain them. Not for her the desire to tear down the fabric of her host country or the goal of destroying that country and replacing its culture and traditions and religion with those of her native country. Not for her the usurpation of the 'indigenous' people of Britain.

No - she was an immigrant who was grateful to be here. An immigrant who LOVED this country and its people, its culture, its traditions, its hard fought for DEMOCRATIC FREEDOMS. She was an immigrant who WORKED hard, who CONTRIBUTED. Who retained her own native and ethnic identity whilst lovingly becoming as BRITISH as it was possible to become.

(Both she and my father were also staunch Socialists for all their lives - but no parents are perfect.)

Anyway, my mother came here at a time when the vessel which is the UK was filling up, due to; refugees, immigration, an upsurge in the birth rate, an increase in longevity due to better education, sanitation, health care and slowly improving living standards etc, but there was STILL, 'Room For All'.

This alas, is no longer the case; the 'vessel which is the UK' is now 'Full to Brimming', and there is no more 'Room For All'.

This island is Overpopulated. We are in the midst of the greatest Housing Crisis ever. Our NHS is in its death throes. Our Social Security and Benefits system is virtually bankrupt. Our Police service is underfunded, undermanned and becoming more impotent daily. Our Prisons are overcrowded ticking time bombs. Our other services are in crisis. Our Military Services are being systematically decimated.

The 'vessel which is the UK' is now 'Full to Brimming', and there is no more 'Room For All'.

There are no SANE arguments to allow this situation to continue and it is time to not only 'CALL A HALT', but also time for a UK Government to honestly address these very real, very grave, potentially FATAL problems and STOP BETRAYING THE 'INDIGENOUS' BRITISH PEOPLE.

Yes - Uncontrolled Immigration is but ONE of the many causal problems behind the UK's decline - but it IS a MAJOR causal problem nontheless and URGENTLY needs confronting.

And yes - If my mother was an applicant immigrant now (not the genuine wife of a serving British soldier back then) and I was some detached observer, I would 1,000% endorse her application being scrutinised and measured by the criterion of 'What can she offer this country' NOT 'What can this country offer her'.

If the answer is 'not much' then I would also endorse her application being refused - as draconian as some 'bleeding hearts' may view that.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes if he or she was bringing nothing to the country and was just here for a free ride

we have enough layabouts that are homegrown

"And sometimes the Jester made it plain,
That his mirth merely masked a superior brain.
For those who doubt that this is true...
Laugh loud, for the joke be now on YOU"

Taken from "LeatherTrumpet - The Man Behind The Mask" Volume 1. by Kirk Lancaster, with a Foreword by Nigel Farage. Available from W.H.Smith, Doubleday, and all good bookshops, or online through 'Tibb Books Ltd.' RRP 20.00 English Pounds (No Cheques from Foreigners )

Actually LT - I could not have put it better myself - Thank you.

[empire]

younger generation of great britain, seem brain washed, when you have students going into a ukip conference, shouting racist this racist that, these kids are from middle and upper class backgrounds, who have never done a days work in there lives, and have mummy and daddy paying there public school and university fees, and they say that british workers are lazy, so cheap labour from poor countries, will make them more richer in the future, so if you keep saying that british workers are lazy then they will turn into just that.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

No, the establishment and established parties are different things. Nigel Farage fits into the establishment very well - as Jack said, a privately educated ex-banker. He was even a part of the conservatives previously!

Maybe so but his Party UKIP is not an established party. It exists to protest against immigration and European integration, so it must be considered as an anti establishment protest party.

[arista]

Originally Posted by empire

younger generation of great britain, seem brain washed, when you have students going into a ukip conference, shouting racist this racist that, these kids are from middle and upper class backgrounds, who have never done a days work in there lives, and have mummy and daddy paying there public school and university fees, and they say that british workers are lazy, so cheap labour from poor countries, will make them more richer in the future, so if you keep saying that british workers are lazy then they will turn into just that.

Yes they do not even know what a Grafter is

Its shocking

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

No, the establishment and established parties are different things. Nigel Farage fits into the establishment very well - as Jack said, a privately educated ex-banker. He was even a part of the conservatives previously!

Why would 'fitting into the 'Establishment' be a detriment to being a good or even great politician?
Or do you mean to imply that Farage is an hypocrite for having such a background but 'drinking beer' and affecting the 'common touch'? (No pun intended).

But isn't this a common trait (no pun intended) in ALL politicians come election time? Oh - I apologise - I didn't mean Labour politicians too Josh, I wouldn't want to upset Labour supporters:

Naw, arr nevva meant multi-millionaire Ed Milliband in his Ł2.5 million parnd house, with his Ł5 million parnd fortune Guv, Lord knows ar nevva. Any bloke knows that old Ed had a commun educashen like wot we 'ad. Ar mean - it's 'im his self wot tells us all how common he is. And 'blow me dahn my old china, ar nevva ment Ed's shadder cabinet eever, lawd knows Ar didn't', 'cos every geezer knows them there shadder cabinet members aint porsh or laa-di-da eever. They're all just salt er the earf Cockneys like us, ain't they?

WELCOME TO CHAV & NOT DAVE'S MOCKNEY SING ALONG

The annual pre-Election Knees Up and Sing Along featuring Chav & Not Dave and all the lovable middle-class, privately educated mockney's in their Shadow Cabinet. You're guaranteed a good time as all these wealthy economists and barristers belt out all the old favourites from 'The Red Flag' and 'The Internationale' to 'Solidarity Forever' and modern hits such as 'Where Have All The British Gone' (Long Time Passing) and 'Grandma, What was a Church and a Union JacK? (Why Won't Our Ayatollah Let Us Have Them Back?)

On The Piano: CHAV himself Old Ed Milliband.

Working Class geezer Chav was educated at Haverstock Comprehensive - which was an elitist school, "attended by many scions of the north London liberal elite" - and Corpus Christi College Oxford. He was "born into 'Labour aristocracy' being the son of a 'Marxist historian' and has lived in the swanky SW1 area of London all his life .

On The other piano: 'NOT DAVE' - better known as Harriet Harman.

Deputy Leader and Shadow Secretary of State for International Development, you'll love this mockney gal as she tinkles with the ivories instead of the truth. Old Harriet was educated St Paul's private school, and York University, and her father was a Harley Street surgeon, and her uncle the Earl of Longford.

A genuine Mockney lass if NEVER there was one.

On The Drums: RED ED BALLS himself.

Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer, Ed was educated at Nottingham High PRIVATE SCHOOL, Oxford University, and Harvard, in the USA. Old Red Ed's daddy is a Zoology Professor, and we wouldn't expect 'noffink else' as an occupation for this true socialist non-Establishment mockney geezer.

On The Banjo: CHUKA UMUNNA MP better known in pop circles as 'Chuka Kahn't'

Shadow Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills, this 'darn to earf geezer' was PRIVATELY educated at St. Dunstan's College in Catford and the University of Manchester and University of Burgundy in Dijon in France.

Come Along One And All To The 'HACKNEYED EMPIRE' where you can do the LAMBETH WALK, THE KNEES UP MOTHER BROWN and SING-ALONGA with CHAV & NOT DAVE your FAVOURITE MOCKNEY GEEZERS .



Inspired by an article/Letter by 'John' in 'Political Thoughts' Magazine.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

No, Guernsey isn't governed by the UK government so we don't vote here

But you have such great Cream
down there

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by arista

But you have such great Cream
down there

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

This just in: your personal opinions are now an indication of your intelligence!!

My comment which you quote and seem to be 'amazed' at, was meant in a 'light-hearted' fashion, but be that as it may, are you SERIOUSLY implying that someone's 'Personal Opinion' can NEVER be an indicator of their intelligence? Let alone how 'Well Read', 'Educated' , 'Knowledgeable' or 'Informed' they are?

There are numerous definitions of the word; 'Opinion':

From; 'a judgment, viewpoint, or statement about matters commonly considered to be subjective, i.e. based on that which is less than absolutely certain, and is the result of emotion or interpretation of facts'

to;

'An opinion is a judgment based on facts, an honest attempt to draw a reasonable conclusion from factual evidence.'

with many definitions in between the above two.

In Helen's case, MY opinion - in which I stated that (her opinion); "shows" she "is intelligent" - is based upon MY knowledge of her previous posts in which I drew a reasonable conclusion from the lucidity of her writing, the extent of her vocabulary, the exceptional degree of knowledge which she displayed, the facts which she asserted, and her intellectual integrity, that she was intelligent.

The facts and knowledge which she displayed were 'verifiable' and I duly verified those which I did not already personally KNOW to be so.
How then is intelligence on a Forum to be evaluated other than by the qualities which I outline above?

Are you SERIOUSLY maintaining that you cannot discern whether; MTVN, Joey Steel, Nedusa, Livia, LT and others are 'intelligent' merely by their posts alone?

What NEWSPAPER editorials and articles do you read which are NOT OPINIONS?

What criterion do you measure such opinions by in order to subscribe to or reject such opinions? Surely as an intelligent young man it is not emotional resonance or personal prejudice? Because that would be unintelligent in itself.

YES young Josh, someone's 'personal opinion' CAN indeed be indicative of their intelligence - or, indeed lack of it - and if you are of the OPINION that such is not the case, then please respond with your rationale and I will discuss this further.

[Livia]

Of course I will be voting.