[Cherie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

What anyone accepts 'knowingly' is fine and up to them, actually messing with someones food and them not knowing is totally wrong and unacceptable.
This was all done in a flash,what if she had a slight bleed from her gum and small traces of blood were in the saliva.
Or even worse than that something else.

I would hope no one I knew would ever spit in my food and I for sure as a Human would never do so as to anyone elses.

I would be really making a very strong complaint about this and I would also bet had he done this to her food and drink,he would have been out the door now.
Just as she should be.

Yes Joey consent is the issue here

[azi]

They don't care just like when Evelyn was in the suitcase.

[johne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I would hope no one I knew would ever spit in my food and I for sure as a Human would never do so as to anyone elses.

Yes, I agree with this. I'd be upset too because what she did was without consent. Where I differ is that if Bear would happily kiss Aubrey, which I'm sure he would, then the issue is no more than one of consent, not much different to using someone elses makeup when they are not there. Yes it's wrong, but I've read comments online saying that Aubrey should be kicked out and Bear should be taken to hospital for screening. Bonkers overreaction in my opinion.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by johne

Yes, I agree with this. I'd be upset too because what she did was without consent. Where I differ is that if Bear would happily kiss Aubrey, which I'm sure he would, then the issue is no more than one of consent, not much different to using someone elses makeup when they are not there. Yes it's wrong, but I've read comments online saying that Aubrey should be kicked out and Bear should be taken to hospital for screening. Bonkers overreaction in my opinion.

Kissing is not the point it is mutual. It was put in his food and drink without his consent. That's the bottom line and she should have been shown the door.
A very serious line was crossed.

I wonder if other celebs will even want to go on the show anymore after this.

[Clootie Dumpling]

I accept the points made about the issue of consent, but don't believe that Aubrey should have been ejected.

I do believe that BB staff should have been aware of the incident and nipped it in the bud by calling her into the DR with the offending drink and sandwich before she had the chance to give it to Bear.

[hot2go]

Jack is right off course but what's interesting is how small the reaction to this, compared to the reaction of James invasion of personal space two days ago....not a lot of people saying poor Bear and bully Aubrey.... Like they said poor James and bully Bear.
If someone had done it to Saira or Renee there would be twenty threads on here today not just Jacks.
Why didn't James speak up against this, why did none of the housemates react on the level they did to Marnie flashing at Saira and why did BB allow it to happen ? They're always telling the housemates that BB sees everything.
Seems to me that because people don't like Bear that it's ok for someone to spit in his food. And I assume that's the opinion of a lot of Aubrey fans and Saira supporters who have clearly abstained from expressing their disapproval. At least one or two can be seen here but it's s poor show guys.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Jack is right off course but what's interesting is how small the reaction to this, compared to the reaction of James invasion of personal space two days ago....not a lot of people saying poor Bear and bully Aubrey.... Like they said poor James and bully Bear.
If someone had done it to Saira or Renee there would be twenty threads on here today not just Jacks.
Why didn't James speak up against this, why did none of the housemates react on the level they did to Marnie flashing at Saira and why did BB allow it to happen ? They're always telling the housemates that BB sees everything.
Seems to me that because people don't like Bear that it's ok for someone to spit in his food. And I assume that's the opinion of a lot of Aubrey fans and Saira supporters who have clearly abstained from expressing their disapproval. At least one or two can be seen here but it's s poor show guys.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Jack is right off course but what's interesting is how small the reaction to this, compared to the reaction of James invasion of personal space two days ago....not a lot of people saying poor Bear and bully Aubrey.... Like they said poor James and bully Bear.
If someone had done it to Saira or Renee there would be twenty threads on here today not just Jacks.
Why didn't James speak up against this, why did none of the housemates react on the level they did to Marnie flashing at Saira and why did BB allow it to happen ? They're always telling the housemates that BB sees everything.
Seems to me that because people don't like Bear that it's ok for someone to spit in his food. And I assume that's the opinion of a lot of Aubrey fans and Saira supporters who have clearly abstained from expressing their disapproval. At least one or two can be seen here but it's s poor show guys.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by johne

Moderately risky maybe, particularly if Aubrey had a contagious disease, but I don't see why so many people are getting so upset. Marnie is inserting her bodily fluids into Lewis all the time, and I'm sure Bear would happily share his body fluids with Aubrey if given half a chance. Ease off on the outrage please, life carries risks and we are all human, this is what humans do.

Perception and truth. I was about to post the same.

But has anyone not thought that perhaps some member of the production team MIGHT have spotted Aubrey spitting in Bear's food and drink, but 'turned a blind eye' and did not report it because they thought he had it coming to him - repulsive act or not?

From my perspective, if the prick wasn't such an obnoxious, bullying yob, then Aubrey would not have thought about doing anything to him.

As vile as her act was, he is greatly culpable.

[Clootie Dumpling]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Perception and truth. I was about to post the same.

But has anyone not thought that perhaps some member of the production team MIGHT have spotted Aubrey spitting in Bear's food and drink, but 'turned a blind eye' and did not report it because they thought he had it coming to him - repulsive act or not?

From my perspective, if the prick wasn't such an obnoxious, bullying yob, then Aubrey would not have thought about doing anything to him.

As vile as her act was, he is greatly culpable.

Was thinking the same thing, Kirk.

[Samm]

Hopefully Bear will grow into a more positive type of person now he's consumed Aubreys saliva

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Samm

Hopefully Bear will grow into a more positive type of person now he's consumed Aubreys saliva

He can hardly get more negative.

[Liam-]

The producers are to blame for allowing him to consume the stuff, they could have stepped in and put a stop to it, but they didn't, they allowed it to go ahead and then made a fuss about it after the fact, if they were that worried about Bear's 'safety' they shouldn't have allowed it to get to him, Aubrey is a scapegoat for someone's lack of instinct.

[Liam-]

(She did deserve the warning though, no matter how deserved or hysterical it was)

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes Joey consent is the issue here

CONSENT. That's the exact word....I couldn't put my finger on it completely but you are bang on ....the diff is consent.

[Robodog]

I agree with OP, I would be outraged if that was me. BB sees all. And then what? Turns a blind eye when it suits?

Of course Bear is a grade A plum and deserves his come-uppance etc but you HAVE to put those personal views aside and have an equal fairness policy towards ALL HMs, no matter what you think of them, especially when it comes to health.

To think of all the ridiculous OTT warnings and interventions in BB history over very little. This is a time when BB should DEF have stepped in before Bear consumed the food.

Why wait for him to eat it and THEN call the doctor?? Why not stop him eating it?!

Would a mechanic let someone drive on a bald tyre and then call the recovery vehicle when it crashes?

Prevention not better than cure?

[susie q]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I'm astounded that they didn't tell her to come to the DR immediately and just sat back and allowed Bear to eat the sandwich

I mentioned this in a thread earlier but in the early days of BBUS a woman once scrubbed the toilet with another guy's toothbrush and production immediately reprimanded her and forced her to tell him not to use it (although she lied and told him she accidentally broke it). This happened on a show which is notoriously lenient when it comes to intervening and handing out warnings

They have a duty of care towards the housemates and the fact they let this play out is appalling, if I were Bear I'd probably be more angry with the producers knowing full well they could've stopped it. I mean would there be any grounds for a legal challenge here?

I was wondering about this too.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Robodog

I agree with OP, I would be outraged if that was me. BB sees all. And then what? Turns a blind eye when it suits?

Of course Bear is a grade A plum and deserves his come-uppance etc but you HAVE to put those personal views aside and have an equal fairness policy towards ALL HMs, no matter what you think of them, especially when it comes to health.

To think of all the ridiculous OTT warnings and interventions in BB history over very little. This is a time when BB should DEF have stepped in before Bear consumed the food.

Why wait for him to eat it and THEN call the doctor?? Why not stop him eating it?!

Would a mechanic let someone drive on a bald tyre and then call the recovery vehicle when it crashes?

Prevention not better than cure?

[susie q]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Perception and truth. I was about to post the same.

But has anyone not thought that perhaps some member of the production team MIGHT have spotted Aubrey spitting in Bear's food and drink, but 'turned a blind eye' and did not report it because they thought he had it coming to him - repulsive act or not?

From my perspective, if the prick wasn't such an obnoxious, bullying yob, then Aubrey would not have thought about doing anything to him.

As vile as her act was, he is greatly culpable.

Well said.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Perception and truth. I was about to post the same.

But has anyone not thought that perhaps some member of the production team MIGHT have spotted Aubrey spitting in Bear's food and drink, but 'turned a blind eye' and did not report it because they thought he had it coming to him - repulsive act or not?

From my perspective, if the prick wasn't such an obnoxious, bullying yob, then Aubrey would not have thought about doing anything to him.

As vile as her act was, he is greatly culpable.

I don't believe anyone deserves having their health put at risk, he hasn't done anything that bad to warrant his food being spat in, in fact all he asked for was multiple cups of tea, it's a TV show, he is not banged up for crimes against children, as for the production team turning a blind eye, they may pay dearly for it both financially and in getting people to take part in the show in future, it's not their place to turn a blind eye

[GiRTh]

What she did was disgusting but the level of 'banter' in this house is unprecedented. BB should have intervened when James and Bear had their food fight the other day but if they had would they be accused of being too strict? Passing body fluid thru food is never acceptable but at what point did the banter go too far? For me, it was way before Aubrey spat in the food.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't believe anyone deserves having their health put at risk, he hasn't done anything that bad to warrant his food being spat in, in fact all he asked for was multiple cups of tea, it's a TV show, he is not banged up for crimes against children, as for the production team turning a blind eye, they may pay dearly for it both financially and in getting people to take part in the show in future, it's not their place to turn a blind eye

[Jan S]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Jack is right off course but what's interesting is how small the reaction to this, compared to the reaction of James invasion of personal space two days ago....not a lot of people saying poor Bear and bully Aubrey.... Like they said poor James and bully Bear.
If someone had done it to Saira or Renee there would be twenty threads on here today not just Jacks.
Why didn't James speak up against this, why did none of the housemates react on the level they did to Marnie flashing at Saira and why did BB allow it to happen ? They're always telling the housemates that BB sees everything.
Seems to me that because people don't like Bear that it's ok for someone to spit in his food. And I assume that's the opinion of a lot of Aubrey fans and Saira supporters who have clearly abstained from expressing their disapproval. At least one or two can be seen here but it's s poor show guys.

i can only assume that either we're not going to be shown any negative reactions beyond what was shown yesterday or we'll get a highly edited brief version to limit drawing viewers' attention back to something bb wants brushed uner the carpet.

quite frankly, if james didn't then i'd be surprised, but the level of overall vile humanity in this house has sunk lower than i've ever seen it. CBB is going to have to do a shedload of damage control if it ever hopes to get anyone worthy of the name 'celebrity' beyond the towie/geordie types to take part in the future. damn, channel 5 might as well do away with emma, rylan and marcus and just install jeremy kyle and be done with it.

[caprimint]

Truly shameful that they allowed Bear to consume the sandwich/tea knowing she spat in it. I'd not only be mad with Aubrey herself, but equally Big Brother.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't believe anyone deserves having their health put at risk, he hasn't done anything that bad to warrant his food being spat in, in fact all he asked for was multiple cups of tea, it's a TV show, he is not banged up for crimes against children, as for the production team turning a blind eye, they may pay dearly for it both financially and in getting people to take part in the show in future, it's not their place to turn a blind eye

Well said Cherie If I were him I would sue Aubrey and BB for not stopping it happening