[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Rather premature don't you think. If Corbyn can come back from being untouchable anyone can.

No... She can't come back from this, you can not have faith in someone and get faith you can't lose faith and regain it. Especially in these dubious circumstances her govt is wonkier than it has ever been... unstable just isn't strong enough a word, it's more calamitous

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Rather premature don't you think. If Corbyn can come back from being untouchable anyone can.

she hasn't even gone yet.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Rather premature don't you think. If Corbyn can come back from being untouchable anyone can.

This why I don't bother so much now brillo it's like all some are bothered about is scoring points and gloating,do they really care about the country or just getting one up on the opposition voters ,cant take people like that seriously that is no good for the country,

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This why I don't bother so much now brillo it's like all some are bothered about is scoring points and gloating,do they really care about the country or just getting one up on the opposition voters ,cant take people like that seriously that is no good for the country,

I think a lot of it is bravado Kaz - trying to convince us and themselves. An if you shout it loud enough kind of mentality everyone will buy into it and make it real.

There is still a long way to go and many things can change. In the long run they will undoubtedly change. They should enjoy their 15 minutes!

[smudgie]

She intends staying, if the talks with the DUP are a success then there is no reason for her to go.
She would have to come away with an outstanding result with Brexit, and also get more involved with the people to even think of being in charge to the end of her term. Can't see it myself.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...=facebook-post

150 000 new members signed up recently. Now there are about 800 000 of us!

I wonder if we will wind up with 1 million?

[user104658]

"Only lefties learn stuff! Stoopid lefties and their educations!"

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jack cares about the future of the country

2 weeks ago he gave up on this country



Pretty much sums it all up


Lol

[MTVN]

tbf the number of people who go to university now is vastly greater than the number who went 20, 30 or 40 years ago so those who are educated to degree level today will be disproportionately younger. IMO it's also completely irrelevant and a lack of formal education does not mean someone is less capable of exercising political judgement

Corbyn would say the same I expect as a man who had two E grades at A-level and never went to university

[Withano]

Originally Posted by MTVN

tbf the number of people who go to university now is vastly greater than the number who went 20, 30 or 40 years ago so those who are educated to degree level today will be disproportionately younger. IMO it's also completely irrelevant and a lack of formal education does not mean someone is less capable of exercising political judgement

Corbyn would say the same I expect as a man who had two E grades at A-level and never went to university

There are people from every education level voting for every party, doesnt really make sense to bring individuals into it. Its the clear significant difference which makes an interesting talking point. Thats not to say a person with a degree cant be a tory (some clearly are, the graph shows this) and thats not to say that a person with 0 GCSEs cant be a Corbynite (the graph shows this too). You're right, those with a lesser education can make a formal decision.. but nobody ever suggested otherwise.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Withano

There are people from every education level voting for every party, doesnt really make sense to bring individuals into it. Its the clear significant difference which makes an interesting talking point. Thats not to say a person with a degree cant be a tory (some clearly are, the graph shows this) and thats not to say that a person with 0 GCSEs cant be a Corbynite (the graph shows this too). You're right, those with a lesser education can make a formal decision.. but nobody ever suggested otherwise.

But my point is that younger people are much more likely to vote Labour and younger people are also much more likely to have a degree because more people now go to University than they used to. Universities also tend to be breeding grounds for left-wing activism and always have been. I brought Corbyn into it because he - like many MPs - did not perform well in the education system yet their political knowledge and ability is probably better than many of the best university graduates.

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Universities also tend to be breeding grounds left-wing activism

aka. 'Educated and well-informed thought and opinions'.

Any party that relies on their followers being in the dark and less well educated/informed is not the sort of party that we should want to encourage.

This is exactly what Trump relied on and unashamedly targetted (''I love the uneducated'' - Trump 2016) and he's already stabbing a lot of those people in the back that he used for votes. The crappy Healthcare system he's trying to force in would leave millions of those people without (and unable to afford) health insurance.

It really is no wonder that May is such a blatant Trumpette fan-girl.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by MTVN

But my point is that younger people are much more likely to vote Labour and younger people are also much more likely to have a degree because more people now go to University than they used to. Universities also tend to be breeding grounds for left-wing activism and always have been. I brought Corbyn into it because he - like many MPs - did not perform well in the education system yet their political knowledge and ability is probably better than many of the best university graduates.

One word - sheep! Whatever happened to thinking as an individual.

Also interesting to note that with free unii fees the majority of people will end up with degrees and they will lose their value.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Jack cares about the future of the country

2 weeks ago he gave up on this country



Pretty much sums it all up


Lol

Firstly, keep my name out of your mouth. I didn't address you, so don't address me.

Secondly, I care about the future of this country, hence why I was so despondent and angry about the direction I thought the electorate were going to take it in. Thankfully I was wrong, though the link between these two things should be pretty obvious, or are you being deliberate obtuse?

Finally, you only returned to the forum in the last few days - so how do you know what I was posting about two weeks ago? Have you been stalking me? I thought you'd given up on this place anyway?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Jack_

Firstly, keep my name out of your mouth. I didn't address you, so don't address me.

Secondly, I care about the future of this country, hence why I was so despondent and angry about the direction I thought the electorate were going to take it in. Thankfully I was wrong, though the link between these two things should be pretty obvious, or are you being deliberate obtuse?

Finally, you only returned to the forum in the last few days - so how do you know what I was posting about two weeks ago? Have you been stalking me? I thought you'd given up on this place anyway?

Not LT accidentally outing himself as a TiBB peeping Tom

[the truth]

The sheer hypocrisy of labour fans , after their party destroyed the economy and made a right mess of the benefits system and the nhs...strange how they didnt march and criticize when thousands died of abuse and neglect under labours disastrous rule of UK? They all claimed at the time the nhs was perfect and everyone working in it were angels of mercy...anyone who dare criticize from within were bulllied and badgered out of their jobs. 50% of hospital doctors said they felt bullied not to make complaints themselves....labour are a creepy party of staggering double standards and complete hypocrisy

[the truth]

Its so sad how deluded they are, they think if an angry mob of 50,000 people all shout a meaningless slogan all at the same time, thats a way to win an argument? Try constructing an argument, try taking all the factors into consideration, try some basic maths, basic logic, try listening to different opinions too

[JTM45]

Originally Posted by the truth

they think if an angry mob of 50,000 people all shout a meaningless slogan all at the same time, thats a way to win an argument?

What ? You mean something like ''Strong and Stable'' or ''Make America Great Again'' ? Yep, i agree. Absolutely pathetic behaviour.

[user104658]

The obvious answer is that it's a bit of both? Yes further education is skewed towards younger generations but, also, people seem to be undervaluing the effect of having a higher level of education. One of the main ones is higher levels of critical reasoning skills; which means that "catchphrases" like "strong and stable" are less likely to work on (and are in fact likely to irritate) those who have been through the higher education system. May relied HEAVILY on these sorts of phrases and was very lazy about fleshing them out with any explanation. She just repeated them over and over like a dodgy Buzz Lightyear, trying to create an association. "The Tories are strong and stable and we need that! They must be, they keep saying it over and over."

Basically, the less educated you are, the more susceptible you are to basic advertising. Flat out fact.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The obvious answer is that it's a bit of both? Yes further education is skewed towards younger generations but, also, people seem to be undervaluing the effect of having a higher level of education. One of the main ones is higher levels of critical reasoning skills; which means that "catchphrases" like "strong and stable" are less likely to work on (and are in fact likely to irritate) those who have been through the higher education system. May relied HEAVILY on these sorts of phrases and was very lazy about fleshing them out with any explanation. She just repeated them over and over like a dodgy Buzz Lightyear, trying to create an association. "The Tories are strong and stable and we need that! They must be, they keep saying it over and over."

Basically, the less educated you are, the more susceptible you are to basic advertising. Flat out fact.

'They must be, they keep saying it over and over' which is exactly what I have been saying of Corbynites. They outdo even May on that.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The obvious answer is that it's a bit of both? Yes further education is skewed towards younger generations but, also, people seem to be undervaluing the effect of having a higher level of education. One of the main ones is higher levels of critical reasoning skills; which means that "catchphrases" like "strong and stable" are less likely to work on (and are in fact likely to irritate) those who have been through the higher education system. May relied HEAVILY on these sorts of phrases and was very lazy about fleshing them out with any explanation. She just repeated them over and over like a dodgy Buzz Lightyear, trying to create an association. "The Tories are strong and stable and we need that! They must be, they keep saying it over and over."

Basically, the less educated you are, the more susceptible you are to basic advertising. Flat out fact.

I don't disagree that reasoned thinking is an advantage in voting, but it doesn't mean that reasoned thinking led to the vote that was cast. There are so many factors involved that it would be very difficult to attribute it.

The bottom line is that everyone requires the same base intelligence to vote, the ability to put a cross in a box .... it doesn't even need to be the one they intended

[James]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The obvious answer is that it's a bit of both? Yes further education is skewed towards younger generations but, also, people seem to be undervaluing the effect of having a higher level of education. One of the main ones is higher levels of critical reasoning skills; which means that "catchphrases" like "strong and stable" are less likely to work on (and are in fact likely to irritate) those who have been through the higher education system. May relied HEAVILY on these sorts of phrases and was very lazy about fleshing them out with any explanation. She just repeated them over and over like a dodgy Buzz Lightyear, trying to create an association. "The Tories are strong and stable and we need that! They must be, they keep saying it over and over."

Basically, the less educated you are, the more susceptible you are to basic advertising. Flat out fact.

I think it has been shown that advertising actually has a greater effect on younger people. That's why ITV and other commercial TV channels target younger demographics in their programming. Because their shows are being watched by people who are more likely to change their buying habits because of the adverts, and that leads to higher ad revenue.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by James

I think it has been shown that advertising actually has a greater effect on younger people. That's why ITV and other commercial TV channels target younger demographics in their programming. Because their shows are being watched by people who are more likely to change their buying habits because of the adverts, and that leads to higher ad revenue.

Good point.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by James

I think it has been shown that advertising actually has a greater effect on younger people. That's why ITV and other commercial TV channels target younger demographics in their programming. Because their shows are being watched by people who are more likely to change their buying habits because of the adverts, and that leads to higher ad revenue.

young people are more naive impressionable simplistic and less well informed outside their classrooms. that's what santa corbyn was able to buy their vote with insane unaffordable unearned handouts to everyone

[user104658]

Originally Posted by the truth

young people are more naive impressionable simplistic and less well informed outside their classrooms. that's what santa corbyn was able to buy their vote with insane unaffordable unearned handouts to everyone

Are you suggesting that anyone who doesn't want to vote Tory is "Naive, impressionable, simplistic and not well informed"? Hmm.

The "strong and stable" stuck record that May managed to get impressionable people parroting is one of the most simplistic political messages I've ever encountered.