[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Eh what have you been reading. Corbyn has spent his life on the far left of the party opposed to the social democratic leadership. Not talking purely about Blair there for the record, he even opposed Michael Foot from the left. Corbyn has always aligned with Tony Benn style views (i.e. hardline socialist), not Harold Wilsons

Jeremy Corbyn is not hard left he is centre left, he is an old fashioned social democrat.

He is presented as hard left by the right wing gutter press because it suits their agenda.

Tony Blair was not centre he was on the right of the labour party, a New Labour blue. The less politically informed now believe he was centre because they don't realise that the Tories are no longer right wing conservatives, they are ultra right wing free market liberals who have abandoned Keynesian economics and adopted neoliberalim. Therefore as the Tories have lurched 'SO FAR RIGHT', it makes Corbyn appear 'so far Left'. And a lot of us understand this. That's why we've just had the largest swing towards Labour since WW11

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Let's just hope they don't go down in history as the generation that ruined Britain.

How could they, when Britain was ruined long before they were old enough to vote? By greedy boomers.

Also... This "pepple only vote frr Laber 4 free dreets lol" thing isn't going to take off you know. No one buys into it except pressed Tory voters. It simply isn't true.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Jeremy Corbyn is not hard left he is centre left, he is an old fashioned social democrat.

He is presented as hard left by the right wing gutter press because it suits their agenda.

Tony Blair was not centre he was on the right of the labour party, a New Labour blue. The less politically informed now believe he was centre because they don't realise that the Tories are no longer right wing conservatives, they are ultra right wing free market liberals who have abandoned Keynesian economics and adopted neoliberalim. Therefore as the Tories have lurched 'SO FAR RIGHT', it makes Corbyn appear 'so far Left'. And a lot of us understand this. That's why we've just had the largest swing towards Labour since WW11

Ok but I specifically said I wasn't talking about Blair. Corbyn was considered on the far left of the Labour Party long before Blair and New Labour

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Ok but I specifically said I wasn't talking about Blair. Corbyn was considered on the far left of the Labour Party long before Blair and New Labour

Corbyn has been an activist for peace and fairness most of his working life. So have I but that doesn't make me 'hard left'. I spent years canvassing and being a member of the Lib Dems. I jumped ship but I wouldn't do that lightly because I'm a centrist and regardless of what your imbecilic Black Tops and Murdoch paint, Corbyn's Labour party is a centrist party.

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[MTVN]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Corbyn has been an activist for peace and fairness most of his working life. So have I but that doesn't make me 'hard left'. I spent years canvassing and being a member of the Lib Dems. I jumped ship but I wouldn't do that lightly because I'm a centrist and regardless of what your imbecilic Black Tops and Murdoch paint, Corbyn's Labour party is a centrist party.

You're ignoring his pre-leadership history. Saying he was always on the far left of the party is not a tabloid smear - it is a matter of historical record.

Throughout his pre-leadership parliamentary career Corbyn was a member of the Socialist Campaign Group, a hard-left group of MPs that split with the soft-left Tribune Group in 1982. It is important to note the context. Labour’s ‘right’ had already left and formed the centrist Social Democratic Party in response to the election of the left-wing Michael Foot as Labour’s leader. Corbyn and his associates actually rebelled against Foot’s leadership from the left, most notably when Tony Benn challenged Dennis Healey for the Deputy Leadership.

On a variety of issues Corbyn was well to the left of the leadership and has always held Bennite-socialist,*not*social democratic, views. In addition to campaigning to leave the EEC in 1975, Corbyn opposed the expulsion of the Trotskyite*Militant Tendency*from Labour and supported the Miner’s Strike of 1984-5. From 1982, he contributed to the*Morning Star, which has consistently had an editorial in line with the programme of the Communist Party of Great Britain. As recently as 2015, Corbyn*referred*to the paper as “the most precious and only voice we have in the daily media”.

https://www.adamsmith.org/blog/no-co...3Fformat%3Damp

[Crimson Dynamo]

and i would wager an awful lot of them cannot remember living under a socialist government

[Jack_]

People mocking others when they themselves voted for a party to kill the disabled and continue to allow women to be abused in detention centres

I've seen it all now

[DemolitionRed]

I'm not going to keep on squabbling here because when people make ridiculous statements like, "an awful lot of them cannot remember living under a socialist government" I just want to scream with frustration. There is no logic whatsoever to comments like that.

My final word on this is, as classical Social Democrat. There's nothing particularly leftist about him at all. What Corbyn wants to do is to return significant government spending to those centrist ideals that he, and so many of us, have. Things like a properly funded NHS, Free University Tuition.

What Corbyn wants to do is to return government spending to the priorities of the old Labour Party; the goal being to increase the overall social wage, increase egalitarianism and to ensure that society as a whole benefits from the actions of government. Jeremy Corbyn has announced we don't want a centre-right conservative party pretending to be labour we want to go back to the social democracy of the centre-left, and as you see with the General Election that has been met with huge support. In addition 150,000 people have joined the Labour Party in the last week and that is added to the huge number who joined when Corbyn became leader, which included former labour members who left under Blair, and people like me who previously were politically active but never with the labour party.

[James]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...=facebook-post

150 000 new members signed up recently. Now there are about 800 000 of us!

I wonder if we will wind up with 1 million?

False claim that Labour membership surged by 150,000 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40251890

[the truth]

mostly deluded greedy students expecting hand outs for doing nothing from santa corbyns magic money tree

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by James

False claim that Labour membership surged by 150,000 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-40251890

simple typo, adding a nought.
I think not.

[Jack_]

The evidence emerging over the last few days is signalling that in actual fact the supposed 'youth surge' may not be the only (or indeed primary) reason for Labour's turnaround. Indeed, Labour led among everyone under 50, youth turnout was at 57% (and not the reported 72%), and furthermore, a higher proportion of youths voted Labour in 2015 than they did this year. So it seems they did a pretty good job of attracting a variation of voters...doesn't give much credence to students searching for 'freebies' argument does it.

But since we're here, speaking of education:

[the truth]

yes students arebrainwashed with feminist revisionism, I know one girl with an A in history A level who had never heard of lloyd george, cant teach her than a pale male stale MAN actually gave women the vote....Oh and simplistic socialism, where those who screma loud enough and riot on the streets will get money for nothing... they know bugger all about the eocnomy or running businesses

[Crimson Dynamo]

without a tory party self destruction of epic proportions this election would have been a landslide

its nothing to do with labour

stand down

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

without a tory party self destruction of epic proportions this election would have been a landslide

its nothing to do with labour

stand down

The largest election-to-election increase in vote share since Attlee and 3.5m more votes doesn't just come at the expense of a pitiful opposition campaign. And indeed if that were true, the Tories wouldn't have increased their vote share either.

Try all you like you diminish the miraculous turnaround in fortunes of Labour thanks to their campaign, but I'm afraid you simply don't know what you're talking about.

[user104658]

To be fair none of this can be easy on Tory voters... they've had over a year of puffing their chests and giggling like gossiping schoolgirls, and they were lead to believe that it was going to go on forever. Must be hard coming back down to earth with a bump.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Jack_

The largest election-to-election increase in vote share since Attlee and 3.5m more votes doesn't just come at the expense of a pitiful opposition campaign. And indeed if that were true, the Tories wouldn't have increased their vote share either.

Try all you like you diminish the miraculous turnaround in fortunes of Labour thanks to their campaign, but I'm afraid you simply don't know what you're talking about.

What happened in the greater part too Jack_ was that Theresa May,(not surprising since her judgement is atrocious anyway), the Cons and a good number of their more hardline supporters,totally underestimated Jeremy Corbyn and his campaigning abilities.

I really do now believe, whenever it comes,this election is not going to be forgotten by the electorate,so that the next one is extremely likely to result in a Labour led govt.
Even if Buffoon Boris is the new 'conning' Con leader.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair none of this can be easy on Tory voters... they've had over a year of puffing their chests and giggling like gossiping schoolgirls, and they were lead to believe that it was going to go on forever. Must be hard coming back down to earth with a bump.

Rather premature don't you think. If Corbyn can come back from being untouchable anyone can.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Rather premature don't you think. If Corbyn can come back from being untouchable anyone can.

No... She can't come back from this, you can not have faith in someone and get faith you can't lose faith and regain it. Especially in these dubious circumstances her govt is wonkier than it has ever been... unstable just isn't strong enough a word, it's more calamitous

[smudgie]

She intends staying, if the talks with the DUP are a success then there is no reason for her to go.
She would have to come away with an outstanding result with Brexit, and also get more involved with the people to even think of being in charge to the end of her term. Can't see it myself.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Rather premature don't you think. If Corbyn can come back from being untouchable anyone can.

she hasn't even gone yet.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Rather premature don't you think. If Corbyn can come back from being untouchable anyone can.

This why I don't bother so much now brillo it's like all some are bothered about is scoring points and gloating,do they really care about the country or just getting one up on the opposition voters ,cant take people like that seriously that is no good for the country,

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

This why I don't bother so much now brillo it's like all some are bothered about is scoring points and gloating,do they really care about the country or just getting one up on the opposition voters ,cant take people like that seriously that is no good for the country,

I think a lot of it is bravado Kaz - trying to convince us and themselves. An if you shout it loud enough kind of mentality everyone will buy into it and make it real.

There is still a long way to go and many things can change. In the long run they will undoubtedly change. They should enjoy their 15 minutes!

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...=facebook-post

150 000 new members signed up recently. Now there are about 800 000 of us!

I wonder if we will wind up with 1 million?