[Candy Annie Cane]

LT - why do you always say Kate and her husband but never use his name? Just curious.

However it happened, Maddie died a long time ago. I don't believe more money should be spent on this when there are far needier causes now.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Police still investigate stuff from years ago all the time tbf, don't see the problem if they think there's still a chance of uncovering what happened. Ben Needham disappeared in 1991 and the police have still been investigating that recently

[Vicky.]

Bloody ridiculous. The amount of missing kids there is and I bet this case has had more spent on it than the others all combined. I know Ben Needhams mother had to fight tooth and nail for 800k I think it was, whilst this case just gets millions chucked over and over. I genuinely do think the police are now just using it as an excuse for long paid holidays.

[jaxie]

Thanks for the links, I did get half way through the video but ran out of time so will watch the rest. It was interesting but didn't seem a lot more than speculation.

I was quite proud of my sons teeth after cleaning them and teaching him well in his early years. Scared to say it now in case anyone thinks I'm a perv! That whole talking about teeth cleaning being some sort of disclaimer for child abuse was just a bit out there.

Having said all that they are an odd couple, and they seem almost relaxed about the whole thing. I'm not sure I could get out of bed in the mornings if a child of mine went missing but maybe you do.

[Ammi]

..that was a really absorbing watch, Niamh...not just relating to Madeleine’s disappearance ..but also in general of statement analysis...I hadn’t known there was such a thing actually...(...actually is a red flag word I think..ooooops..)...


...but yeah..the past tense thing ...(...with always the belief that she was taken but still alive..)...has always felt a bit odd...and also in a time of such extreme panic and chaos emotionally and with their thoughts etc... when she was discovered gone...Kate said her immediate thoughts were of what Madeleine had said, which is why she knew she had been taken...so it was not acted on in leaving the children alone again but it was the first immediate thought...?...I don’t think chaotic and panicked minds have immediate thoughts, do they..?...and not connecting in that way to what Madeleine had said...connection comes when the mind becomes less chaotic, surely...connection requires a calm mind ..?...anyways yeah...an absorbing and interesting vid, thank you Niamh....

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..that was a really absorbing watch, Niamh...not just relating to Madeleine’s disappearance ..but also in general of statement analysis...I hadn’t known there was such a thing actually...(...actually is a red flag word I think..ooooops..)...


...but yeah..the past tense thing ...(...with always the belief that she was taken but still alive..)...has always felt a bit odd...and also in a time of such extreme panic and chaos emotionally and with their thoughts etc... when she was discovered gone...Kate said her immediate thoughts were of what Madeleine had said, which is why she knew she had been taken...so it was not acted on in leaving the children alone again but it was the first immediate thought...?...I don’t think chaotic and panicked minds have immediate thoughts, do they..?...and not connecting in that way to what Madeleine had said...connection comes when the mind becomes less chaotic, surely...connection requires a calm mind ..?...anyways yeah...an absorbing and interesting vid, thank you Niamh....

He's very interesting Ammi, he did an analysis on Steve Avery too (he thinks he's guilty)

[user104658]

The two big give aways for me, are that they supposedly declared that she had been "taken by someone" immediately when the only thing that had happened was that she was missing. Most people's first assumption would be that a child had wandered off looking for them / was lost, not a random kidnapping, especially as the other two children were still safe.

Second thing is that they kept insisting on a narrative where the window had been forced open for someone to get in, and then when informed that the sequence of events was impossible, suddenly changed the story to the door being left unlocked.

Straight away none of it adds up. Trying to figure out what DID happen is really mostly speculation, obviously, but you can be pretty sure that there's a lot more to what happened that night than they've ever said, just based on their inconsistencies and changing stories, and other very odd statements from various people.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The two big give aways for me, are that they supposedly declared that she had been "taken by someone" immediately when the only thing that had happened was that she was missing. Most people's first assumption would be that a child had wandered off looking for them / was lost, not a random kidnapping, especially as the other two children were still safe.

Second thing is that they kept insisting on a narrative where the window had been forced open for someone to get in, and then when informed that the sequence of events was impossible, suddenly changed the story to the door being left unlocked.

Straight away none of it adds up. Trying to figure out what DID happen is really mostly speculation, obviously, but you can be pretty sure that there's a lot more to what happened that night than they've ever said, just based on their inconsistencies and changing stories, and other very odd statements from various people.

...I do believe that ‘taken by someone’ did connect with her conversation with Madeleine immediately in her thoughts...but they left the children anyway...and then that connection happened immediately...I don’t know all of the ‘inconsistencies’ though..and am rushing off now...so yeah, many have studied it all more than I have...etc...

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The two big give aways for me, are that they supposedly declared that she had been "taken by someone" immediately when the only thing that had happened was that she was missing. Most people's first assumption would be that a child had wandered off looking for them / was lost, not a random kidnapping, especially as the other two children were still safe.

Second thing is that they kept insisting on a narrative where the window had been forced open for someone to get in, and then when informed that the sequence of events was impossible, suddenly changed the story to the door being left unlocked.

Straight away none of it adds up. Trying to figure out what DID happen is really mostly speculation, obviously, but you can be pretty sure that there's a lot more to what happened that night than they've ever said, just based on their inconsistencies and changing stories, and other very odd statements from various people.

Yeah they insisted that the window had been "jemmied" but it was examined and that was proved false so then they changed their story to the door being left opened. I mean if your child had actually been kidnapped by a potential pedophile ring or whatever, you're not going to lie and potentially hamper finding her no way a parent isn't going to be thinking about themselves when their child is in so much danger, not unless they already know that she can no longer be helped

[thesheriff443]

Not an ounce of emotion from them!.
I have tryed to sit on the fence with this but after watching that analyst i truly believe she died in that apartment and they covered it up.

[bots]

I think the parents came from a position of guilt from the very beginning. They left their children and went out drinking with friends.

Something then went wrong, and Maddie either had an accident or was taken, and from that point forward the parents have been trying to minimize their own culpability. They were not honest from the outset and I don't believe they have been honest at any point to this day. I blame the parents without reservation, whether that be for abduction, an accident or murder. They remain responsible for the situation and I don't know why they haven't had to face the consequences in a court of law.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think the parents came from a position of guilt from the very beginning. They left their children and went out drinking with friends.

Something then went wrong, and Maddie either had an accident or was taken, and from that point forward the parents have been trying to minimize their own culpability. They were not honest from the outset and I don't believe they have been honest at any point to this day. I blame the parents without reservation, whether that be for abduction, an accident or murder. They remain responsible for the situation and I don't know why they haven't had to face the consequences in a court of law.

Yes exactly, they've never admitted that leaving them alone was wrong, I believe the most they have ever said was that they were sorry that they weren't there when it happened......but the whole point is that (if we're going with the abduction narrative) it wouldn't have happened if they were there

[chuff me dizzy]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/458868...ritish-police/