[bots]

i will vote to get the tories out of office. Another term from them would be an absolute disaster. Labour will just be finding their feet, so there is much less chance of damage from them

[arista]

Jeremy Corbyn
needs to stand as a Independent,

Or Take Starmer and the NEC
to court.


Which one
Slim?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Jeremy Corbyn
needs to stand as a Independent,

Or Take Starmer and the NEC
to court.


Which one
Slim?

Even to this day, Jeremy is still a loyal labour man, so I fear he will retire. If I was advising him, I'd tell him to bin them all off, and start up a Socialist party, and put the election in doubt for Starmer, because the left is screaming out for an alternative, and 66% of those polled in the uk recently said they'd like a 33rd party to come and challenge bothe labour and the tories.

If Jeremy stands as an independent he wins really easily

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Even to this day, Jeremy is still a loyal labour man, so I fear he will retire. If I was advising him, I'd tell him to bin them all off, and start up a Socialist party, and put the election in doubt for Starmer, because the left is screaming out for an alternative, and 66% of those polled in the uk recently said they'd like a 33rd party to come and challenge bothe labour and the tories.

If Jeremy stands as an independent he wins really easily

No, he does not want to Retire
the local people need him

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

No, he does not want to Retire
the local people need him

The whole goddamn country needed him.

Then he will either stand as an independent, join the greens, or start his own party.

My preference would be for him to start his own,party, which would then force the labour party back to the left in order to take some of the voters back.
200k people joined the labour party because of Jeremy, and have since left, so there is a bloc of voters that could turn the election (including those that have stayed) if Jeremy did that.

Joining the greens would be really interesting, as he could transform them into a relevant party over night.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

and 66% of those polled in the uk recently said they'd like a 33rd party to come and challenge bothe labour and the tories.

Strangely specific, I didn't even know there were 32 parties

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

If Jeremy stands as an independent he wins really easily

Depends if his constituents votes for the man or the party?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Strangely specific, I didn't even know there were 32 parties


Depends if his constituents votes for the man or the party?

What? You don't know about the other 30 political parties? Well that's definitely on you and definitely not my error, no siree

His constituents love him, because he does the job he is paid to do - he works in local homelessness centres, he's in the community fixing problems and being visible and available. He got 73% of the vote last time out, and any person Keir stands against him will probably be some corporate CEO type.Especially if we look at what he's been doing in Leicester recently.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

What? You don't know about the other 30 political parties? Well that's definitely on you and definitely not my error, no siree

His constituents love him, because he does the job he is paid to do - he works in local homelessness centres, he's in the community fixing problems and being visible and available. He got 73% of the vote last time out, and any person Keir stands against him will probably be some corporate CEO type.Especially if we look at what he's been doing in Leicester recently.

Apparently the person they want to select instead of him is something to do with a private health care business

[bots]

he can stand as independent labour if he wants, plenty have done it in the past

[arista]

He had a chance Slim
December 2019 General Election
he failed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_U...neral_election

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by arista

He had a chance Slim
December 2019 General Election
he failed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_U...neral_election

Yes, because snakes in his own party sabotaged him and did everything they could to get Boris elected, the very same people that are now eternally outraged at the government we got because they didn’t an actual progressive government

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Yes, because snakes in his own party sabotaged him and did everything they could to get Boris elected, the very same people that are now eternally outraged at the government we got because they didn’t an actual progressive government

Snakes
the New Labour Gang


For Sure

[joeysteele]

I personally think Corbyn should stand as Independent Labour.
My own guess is he'd win.
So then continue as an MP with an even greater freedom to speak out on all and anything he likes and how.

If we had PR.
Then starting a new Party would have been a good option too however new Parties under this discredited electoral system don't fare well.
The Greens get 5% + in elections and only have the solitary 1 seat.
First past the post is not welcoming or generous to new Parties.

[Oliver_W]

There's no real way to implement PR while maintaining a Parliamentary system, in which we vote for who we want to represent our area in the Commons. If the percentage of the overall population was allocated per-seat, there'd be no way to ensure we'd get an MP for the party for whom we voted.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There's no real way to implement PR while maintaining a Parliamentary system, in which we vote for who we want to represent our area in the Commons. If the percentage of the overall population was allocated per-seat, there'd be no way to ensure we'd get an MP for the party for whom we voted.

The Labour conference passed overwhelmingly to adopt PR.
There's only ONE Party in Westminster who wouldn't have it and that's the Cons.

PR is now used in Mayoral elections, police and crime commissioner elections, the N Ireland assembly, the Welsh parliament AND the Scottish parliament.

There are many forms of PR and it wouldn't be impossible to retain the more constituency link to MP.

The difference would be people voting and for the over 25% who never vote in elections, of whom would be likely more to vote in PR, would then the difference would mean they not only believed but would know, their votes really counted and that NO Party could get just over 40% of the votes but get power with overall majorities of 80.
That's the real scandal and should be an affront to UK real democracy.
First past the post encourages extreme governments it doesn't prevent them.

First past the post was fine when the 2 main parties got over 85%+ of votes cast between them.
Now they get on or under 75% is ridiculous for one to get absolute power.

Labour got around 36% of votes in 2005, the Cons got just over 32%
Yet Labour got an overall majority of 68.
That's obscene.

[The Slim Reaper]

Joke of a party keeps joking. Not the same as tories, though...

Good news though, because they are going to use a windfall tax on energy companies to freeze your council tax for a year, whilst the energy oligarchy make off with record profits at voters expense.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

PR is now used in Mayoral elections, police and crime commissioner elections, the N Ireland assembly, the Welsh parliament AND the Scottish parliament.

All of which are for local governance, not the entire country as a whole.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

All of which are for local governance, not the entire country as a whole.

??? What..
The N. Irish assembly is for the whole of N Ireland.
The Scottish assembly is for the whole country of Scotland.
The Welsh assembly for the whole country of Wales.

When we were in the EU for decades the elections for there all across the UK were under PR.

If Scotland were to get independence or had already they'd be using PR.
Or are Scotland and Wales not countries but just like shires of England.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Or are Scotland and Wales not countries but just like shires of England.

Politically ... yes?

The UK is, effectively and politically, one big country. Some of the satelite areas might have a semblance of devolution, but we're all governed from Westminster.