[arista]

[joeysteele]

Rubbish as usual from the Express.

The government is driving much needed Doctors out of this Country.
By it's cold treatment of them and attitude.

Whatever brings this rotten Con governnent down will be many things and if a small part of that is how they've treated the NHS and these junior Doctors.
Then that will be because hopefully and thankfully voters have had enough of this hard-line and heartless shower in government AT LAST.

[arista]

Yes Joey
Labour will have to fix it.
After the general election
which can be as late January 2025,
if (currently on holiday in LA)
PM Sunak wants to be awkward

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Joey
Labour will have to fix it.
After the general election
which can be as late January 2025,
if (currently on holiday in LA)
PM Sunak wants to be awkward

Hopefully the longer Fishy Sunak makes the voters wait to get their say by him hanging on to the last minute.
Will bring more likely the wrath of voters as happened with Gordon Brown in 2010 and certainly with John Major in 1997.

The voters often don't like being treated as to being denied their rights.
I hope more and more are just getting more set in their determination now to kick this shambolic lot out when they are eventually allowed by them to be consulted.

[arista]

Correction

PM Sunak
is back in the UK,
Claiming things will improve?

[arista]

[arista]

New Strikes
some Joint Junior Doctors & Consultants

September 19,20,21, & 22nd

And October 2,3 & 4th

[joeysteele]

Totally support them.
Always will.

This government has been atrocious as to the NHS since the top down costly reform Cameron said was never going to be done, then actually was from 2011 onwards.

I do sincerely hope this disgraceful, divisive and heartless shower under Sunak get well and truly booted out at the next election for the chaos they've helped create with Doctors and the NHS alone.
Never mind the ever growing list of incompetence on other policy issues too.

[Vanessa]

They deserve a raise, but I don't think they're going to get that much.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

They deserve a raise, but I don't think they're going to get that much.

That's the point of negotiation though - you don't ask for the minimum amount you're willing to settle for, you ask for a lot, the other party will offer a little, and then you argue about it until you reach a compromise somewhere in the middle.

People seem to think that when unions ask for an amount, that's what they actually expect to settle on. But that's not how it works.

Of course sometimes that's the union members, getting themselves all annoyed because their union "settled for less than they asked for" like that's a failure .

[bots]

they are going to get a substantial increase. Both sides should just cut the crap and get a deal done

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they are going to get a substantial increase. Both sides should just cut the crap and get a deal done

The Tories would happily hand out a large pay rise to doctors but they know fine well that if they do, nurses and AHP's are going to strike harder than ever in 2024. They only settled on a pay deal for 2022-2023 and 2023-2024. After next April they can start the whole thing over again. And definitely will if medics get a substantial pay bump.

[Livia]

Meanwhile, public faith in the NHS is at an all-time low. I'm grateful I'm not on a waiting list.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Meanwhile, public faith in the NHS is at an all-time low.

For exactly the same reason (underfunded/under-resourced).

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

For exactly the same reason (underfunded/under-resourced).

badly managed

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

badly managed

Yes but that's also the governments fault, ultimately.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

badly managed

Very badly managed. The waste is appalling. Had it been better managed the doctors who complained about Letby wouldn't have been made to apologise to her by someone with no medical qualifications and a hundred grand salary.

[Crimson Dynamo]

employing nurses that kill babies

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

employing nurses that kill babies

And using an example of one nurse in an organisation that employs over 300,000 nurses and 1.2 million total staff is similtaneously meaningless and gross. Don't use dead babies to score political points LT. Even you're above that, surely.

[arista]

On Strike again

Government, not willing to talk

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

On Strike again

Government, not willing to talk

Shocking attitude from the government.
The Doctors have my support 100%
All the way.

[arista]

Labour's Starmer
claimed today PM Sunak is blocking
negotiations.

More Strikes :


Junior doctors in England will strike on
five days from 24 to 28 February,
in an ongoing dispute with
the government about pay.]

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by arista

Junior doctors in England will strike on
five days from 24 to 28 February,
in an ongoing dispute with
the government about pay.]

Politicised wankers lets be honest

[joeysteele]

It's likely the current Chancellor too.
Who is blocking things.

Hunt was Health secretary when the last dispute with the Junior Doctors was happening.

Now he has the purse strings as Chancellor, he will not want to accommodate the Junior Doctors in their dispute now .

I 100% support the Junior Doctors.
This is now twice in the 14 years of this Con led government'
That they've walked over and never appreciated the Doctors.
It's absolutely disgraceful of Sunak and his shambolic government.

[arista]

Another 5 Day Strike

Thursday 27 June until 2nd of July

Junior doctors call five-day strike just before election

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-69072640