[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Redrose

You're the closed-minded one. I can see it from Dylan's point of view. Henry grew up in the Cotswolds. I'm from the most deprived part of England so our experiences as gay people wouldn't have been the same. "Little group" you know nothing about my friends so keep your mouth shut.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redrose

You're the closed-minded one. I can see it from Dylan's point of view. Henry grew up in the Cotswolds. I'm from the most deprived part of England so our experiences as gay people wouldn't have been the same. "Little group" you know nothing about my friends so keep your mouth shut.

I'm sure you have plenty of friends with that attitude .

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Redrose

I would never nominate another lgbt person in the house unless they were that token one who was a lapdog to the straight group.

Wow, who knew where you like to rub your junk defines you as a person and dictates who you should side with... Not that you should make that choice based on their character or actions.

I would never side with or go against someone based on their sexual preference. Let alone if I thought that they were an 'identity group traitor' because they got on with people in general. That, to me, is just ridiculous... It would be as ridiculous as choosing to be friends with anyone based on skin colour or any other immutable characteristic.

It would make me feel like a bigot.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Redrose

I would never nominate another lgbt person in the house unless they were that token one who was a lapdog to the straight group.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

If I didn’t get along with the person, regardless of sexuality, I’d nominate them.

[fruit_cake]

I wouldn't like to suggest what Dylan should or shouldn't have said based on skin colour as a white person not subjected to the racist undertones that society imposes on people.

it may have seemed unreasonable to me but I don't know where precisely Dylan was coming from to say such a thing and as someone who has not experienced racism I think it would be wise to give lots of room to this particular issue

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I wouldn't like to suggest what Dylan should or shouldn't have said based on skin colour as a white person not subjected to the racist undertones that society imposes on people.

it may have seemed unreasonable to me but I don't know where precisely Dylan was coming from to say such a thing and as someone who has not experienced racism I think it would be wise to give lots of room to this particular issue

Dylan himself had already nominated Trish just the previous week so what he was saying was a load of BS, he wasn't even playing by his own rules and he's trying to hoodwink Trish into thinking he was

[GoldHeart]

I actually wish BB would play his previous nominations now ,to show how stupid and hypocritical he is .

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Dylan himself had already nominated Trish just the previous week so what he was saying was a load of BS, he wasn't even playing by his own rules and he's trying to hoodwink Trish into thinking he was

yes I would just like to here a full explanation first of why Dylan's first point of call was to say such a thing..?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

yes I would just like to here a full explanation first of why Dylan's first point of call was to say such a thing..?

He didn't care about race when he targeted Trish in the cooking situation or the ant task ..hmm funny that . He only cares about himself !.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

He didn't care about race when he targeted Trish in the cooking situation or the ant task ..hmm funny that . He only cares about himself !.

that may be true, but his own guilt does not mean he is 'fair game' to receive the same treatment

[Redway]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

He didn't care about race when he targeted Trish in the cooking situation or the ant task ..hmm funny that . He only cares about himself !.

Unfortunately a lot of black men only want that kind of treatment to be applied to black people as a whole when they’re involved. A lot of black men do not have other black people’s backs when they’re not directly involved.

[Ray.]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I wouldn't like to suggest what Dylan should or shouldn't have said based on skin colour as a white person not subjected to the racist undertones that society imposes on people.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I wouldn't like to suggest what Dylan should or shouldn't have said based on skin colour as a white person not subjected to the racist undertones that society imposes on people.

it may have seemed unreasonable to me but I don't know where precisely Dylan was coming from to say such a thing and as someone who has not experienced racism I think it would be wise to give lots of room to this particular issue

It's a racist comment from him.

If he himself has suffered racism then I do feel sorry for him on that, but he shouldn't imo be trying to play a gameshow with racist ideology.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It's a racist comment from him.

If he himself has suffered racism then I do feel sorry for him on that, but he shouldn't imo be trying to play a gameshow with racist ideology.

Less-so racist and more entitled, Mock. I don’t really believe in reverse-racism (discrimination/prejudice but not true societal racism) but yeah. It wasn’t a smart comment.

On the topic of alleged racism, I hate black people’s negative racial experiences being minimised and there’s a huge amount of cultural gaslighting and ignorance that a lot of people are guilty of (which absolutely needs to be addressed and stamped out) but I just think that some or those experiences have contributed to a lot of black people having a more cynical attitude towards the average white person than they need to, because they’re so used to seeing white people as inherently racist. So a lot of clannish stick-together-at-all-costs tendencies come from that.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Less-so racist and more entitled, Mock. I don’t really believe in reverse-racism (discrimination/prejudice but not true societal racism) but yeah. It wasn’t a smart comment.

Imo it's a bit of both entitlement and prejudice.

At least his gameplan was like that, obviously irl I don't know the guy, but hopefully he doesn't think that all black people should just stick together because of the colour of their skin.

Personality should be coming into play.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Imo it's a bit of both entitlement and prejudice.

At least his gameplan was like that, obviously irl I don't know the guy, but hopefully he doesn't think that all black people should just stick together because of the colour of their skin.

Personality should be coming into play.

Black people don’t always extend mercy and stick with each other anyway (tribalism for one thing can be a huge issue) and like I said that’s with people who are fully black. When you’re literally half and half you can’t expect black people to automatically see and treat you as exactly the same. Like you say it’s more about personalities and worth as housemates than the colour of their skin anyway. If you’re in, you’re in and if you’re booted out you’re out. Whether you’re black, white, yellow or purple. It’s not about that.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Redway

Less-so racist and more entitled, Mock. I don’t really believe in reverse-racism (discrimination/prejudice but not true societal racism)

Nor do I. 'Reverse racism' is a ridiculous term.

It's just racism.

I don't subscribe to the redefining of the term 'racism' to having to include the 'systemic' element, which was only done in order only benefit and give power to specific groups and exclude others.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Nor do I. 'Reverse racism' is a ridiculous term.

It's just racism.

I don't subscribe to the redefining of the term 'racism' to having to include the 'systemic' element, which was only done in order only benefit and give power to specific groups and exclude others.

Your words, not mine. That’s not what I’m saying.

[UserSince2005]

Wait Dylan is black? I thought he was just a unsophisticated embarrassing old white man

[Redway]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Wait Dylan is black? I thought he was just a unsophisticated embarrassing old white man

There’s just a certain tragic unfunny-ness about you.

[Benjamin]

Ahhh of course, Shilpa.