[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I wouldn't like to suggest what Dylan should or shouldn't have said based on skin colour as a white person not subjected to the racist undertones that society imposes on people.

it may have seemed unreasonable to me but I don't know where precisely Dylan was coming from to say such a thing and as someone who has not experienced racism I think it would be wise to give lots of room to this particular issue

Dylan himself had already nominated Trish just the previous week so what he was saying was a load of BS, he wasn't even playing by his own rules and he's trying to hoodwink Trish into thinking he was

[GoldHeart]

I actually wish BB would play his previous nominations now ,to show how stupid and hypocritical he is .

[Ray.]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I wouldn't like to suggest what Dylan should or shouldn't have said based on skin colour as a white person not subjected to the racist undertones that society imposes on people.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Dylan himself had already nominated Trish just the previous week so what he was saying was a load of BS, he wasn't even playing by his own rules and he's trying to hoodwink Trish into thinking he was

yes I would just like to here a full explanation first of why Dylan's first point of call was to say such a thing..?

[Redrose]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why even go into the BB house if you're so closed minded and closed off to the possibility of forming relationships with people outside your own little group?

You're the closed-minded one. I can see it from Dylan's point of view. Henry grew up in the Cotswolds. I'm from the most deprived part of England so our experiences as gay people wouldn't have been the same. "Little group" you know nothing about my friends so keep your mouth shut.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redrose

You're the closed-minded one. I can see it from Dylan's point of view. Henry grew up in the Cotswolds. I'm from the most deprived part of England so our experiences as gay people wouldn't have been the same. "Little group" you know nothing about my friends so keep your mouth shut.

By "little group" I meant if you were in the BB house in a group of random LGBT people, i wasn't claiming to know you or your friends, I was simply responding to stuff you'd just posted here when you said you wouldn't nominate other LGBT people...... Also this is a public forum I won't be "keeping my mouth shut"

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Redrose

You're the closed-minded one. I can see it from Dylan's point of view. Henry grew up in the Cotswolds. I'm from the most deprived part of England so our experiences as gay people wouldn't have been the same. "Little group" you know nothing about my friends so keep your mouth shut.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

I understand why he is saying that but at the same time was this a discussion they had before. Like I am not sure if I've ever seen him sit with either Noky or Trish to have a conversation in general about random things (unless BB didn't show it) . Black men love to ignore black women until nobody is in their corner Lmao

True. I appreciate the sub-cultural nuances (probably more than most on this thread) but still. No-one’s entitled to be in the house indefinitely just because of shared skin colour.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

He was speaking on behalf of the black half

Just a joke bro

Joke or not, that’s exactly what the guy was doing.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

yes I would just like to here a full explanation first of why Dylan's first point of call was to say such a thing..?

He didn't care about race when he targeted Trish in the cooking situation or the ant task ..hmm funny that . He only cares about himself !.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

He didn't care about race when he targeted Trish in the cooking situation or the ant task ..hmm funny that . He only cares about himself !.

that may be true, but his own guilt does not mean he is 'fair game' to receive the same treatment

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redrose

You're the closed-minded one. I can see it from Dylan's point of view. Henry grew up in the Cotswolds. I'm from the most deprived part of England so our experiences as gay people wouldn't have been the same. "Little group" you know nothing about my friends so keep your mouth shut.

I'm sure you have plenty of friends with that attitude .

[Redway]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

He didn't care about race when he targeted Trish in the cooking situation or the ant task ..hmm funny that . He only cares about himself !.

Unfortunately a lot of black men only want that kind of treatment to be applied to black people as a whole when they’re involved. A lot of black men do not have other black people’s backs when they’re not directly involved.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redway

Unfortunately a lot of black men only want that kind of treatment to be applied to black people as a whole when they’re involved. A lot of black men do not have other black people’s backs when they’re not directly involved.

Yeah Dylan was a massive hypocrite, who had a bad temper.

It's actual unfortunate how much he fell from grace ,I thought he was a decent guy in the early weeks. Then the moment Zak left....he switched .

I liked his reaction when he got evicted though ,when they shouted " Get Dylan out" , and he was like " ok I'm coming " lol . I think he knew he messed up ,but his ego was still bruised.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Yeah Dylan was a massive hypocrite, who had a bad temper.

It's actual unfortunate how much he fell from grace ,I thought he was a decent guy in the early weeks. Then the moment Zak left....he switched .

I liked his reaction when he got evicted though ,when they shouted " Get Dylan out" , and he was like " ok I'm coming " lol . I think he knew he messed up ,but his ego was still bruised.

Dylan’s just that kind of guy.

The guy’s mixed race anyway. Personal racial affiliation is up to him (some mixed-race people see themselves as black, others just see themselves as mixed) but that kind of community affiliation he’s expecting/feels entitled to isn’t an inborn unanimous entitlement. As far as a lot of people are concerned mixed-race (black-and-white mixed) are just that if they’re not even up to 3/4 black (as far as you can tell; go back far enough and you’ll see most people are mixed with a little something). A lot of black men love, love, love to throw the black women who defend them thanklessly in mixed spaces under the ’bus and a lot of them aren’t trying to even regard their fellow males as worth a dime (sometimes even disqualifying for jobs at the expense of their white and Asian counterparts when they’re the most qualified and competent in the room) so if they’re not getting half-fair/decent (let-alone preferential) treatment, why should Dylan who’s only mixed race? He ain’t even black like that.

A lot of men of colour who have some of these mindsets taken to another level are their own worst enemy.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it was the equivalent of black people should stick together no matter what and that raises more questions than it answers

It sounds a little racist tbh.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's entitled and racist and if it were a white HM saying that an other white HM shouldn't nominate them there would be uproar

Kyle from one of the BBUSA years got called KKKyle by the public for suggesting something similar to your hypothetical scenario.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ithinkiloveyoutoo

Some mixed raced people see themselves as black and others as mixed.

His girlfriend is white. I wonder what his friends circle is like too. I bet they're all white lads and another black dude, with zero black female friends but then he wants to bully 2 black women into supporting him.


(Of course I could be wrong but there's a lot of black dudes like that these days )

People's friends can be whoever they want imo.

Personally speaking people should never make friends just to tick a box, imo that's probably more prejudiced.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I wouldn't like to suggest what Dylan should or shouldn't have said based on skin colour as a white person not subjected to the racist undertones that society imposes on people.

it may have seemed unreasonable to me but I don't know where precisely Dylan was coming from to say such a thing and as someone who has not experienced racism I think it would be wise to give lots of room to this particular issue

It's a racist comment from him.

If he himself has suffered racism then I do feel sorry for him on that, but he shouldn't imo be trying to play a gameshow with racist ideology.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

It's a racist comment from him.

If he himself has suffered racism then I do feel sorry for him on that, but he shouldn't imo be trying to play a gameshow with racist ideology.

Less-so racist and more entitled, Mock. I don’t really believe in reverse-racism (discrimination/prejudice but not true societal racism) but yeah. It wasn’t a smart comment.

On the topic of alleged racism, I hate black people’s negative racial experiences being minimised and there’s a huge amount of cultural gaslighting and ignorance that a lot of people are guilty of (which absolutely needs to be addressed and stamped out) but I just think that some or those experiences have contributed to a lot of black people having a more cynical attitude towards the average white person than they need to, because they’re so used to seeing white people as inherently racist. So a lot of clannish stick-together-at-all-costs tendencies come from that.

[Gusto Brunt]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it was the equivalent of black people should stick together no matter what and that raises more questions than it answers

That's what I thought Dylan was referring to in his rant. Nothing else.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Less-so racist and more entitled, Mock. I don’t really believe in reverse-racism (discrimination/prejudice but not true societal racism) but yeah. It wasn’t a smart comment.

Imo it's a bit of both entitlement and prejudice.

At least his gameplan was like that, obviously irl I don't know the guy, but hopefully he doesn't think that all black people should just stick together because of the colour of their skin.

Personality should be coming into play.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Imo it's a bit of both entitlement and prejudice.

At least his gameplan was like that, obviously irl I don't know the guy, but hopefully he doesn't think that all black people should just stick together because of the colour of their skin.

Personality should be coming into play.

Black people don’t always extend mercy and stick with each other anyway (tribalism for one thing can be a huge issue) and like I said that’s with people who are fully black. When you’re literally half and half you can’t expect black people to automatically see and treat you as exactly the same. Like you say it’s more about personalities and worth as housemates than the colour of their skin anyway. If you’re in, you’re in and if you’re booted out you’re out. Whether you’re black, white, yellow or purple. It’s not about that.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Black people don’t always extend mercy and stick with each other anyway (tribalism for one thing can be a huge issue) and like I said that’s with people who are fully black. When you’re literally half and half you can’t expect black people to automatically see and treat you as exactly the same. Like you say it’s more about personalities and worth as housemates than the colour of their skin anyway. If you’re in, you’re in and if you’re booted out you’re out. Whether you’re black, white, yellow or purple. It’s not about that.

Do Mixed race communities still face a lot of prejudice?

I knew it was bad back in my School days, but that was nearly a decade ago now, which makes me feel pretty old.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Redrose

I would never nominate another lgbt person in the house unless they were that token one who was a lapdog to the straight group.

What a ridiculous thing to say.

If I didn’t get along with the person, regardless of sexuality, I’d nominate them.