[vesavius]

Originally Posted by romeofahey

The fact that people are turning on her and Segun just cause they called Ali a red witch is sending me like Ali has LITERALLY been a witch in that house she's lucky she hasn't been actually confronted or called out yet.

Of all the milk toast comments to make about another HM 'red witch' has to be the most milk toast

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Of all the milk toast comments to make about another HM 'red witch' has to be the most milk toast

Milk toast?

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Milk toast?

Or milquetoast if you prefer. Used mainly to mean a meek or timid person, but also to mean bland, middle of the road, or inoffensive

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

Or milquetoast if you prefer. Used mainly to mean a meek or timid person, but also to mean bland, middle of the road, or inoffensive

Everyday's a school day I agree though I'd kind like being called a Red Witch tbh

[Beso]

Here for nathan bursting into flames.

[Beso]

Manky toes lily.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I am so happy that Hanah has come out fighting for her team and I am glad that the lads have her there. She can stand up to the bullshit of Ali as a woman that they can't.

If a man is seen arguing with a woman he can too easily been seen as being aggressive or bullying, especially when the inevitable waterworks start. But Hanah can take the fight right to her and she 100% has the strength of character to do so.

Where Ali seems to have a strong streak of misandry running through her, Hanah has a strong empathy with her boys.

Where Ali relies on grooming Lily and artificial alliances (Dean) to get her through, Hanah has actual friends in there. She hasn't got a team because it is tactically sound to do so, she just has people who like each other.

I have always said that Hanah has shown glimpses of being a great HM but has never had her 'moment' where it all solidified, but I think last night could have been it.

It's a shame that already some views are interpreting her strong principled stand as 'angry aggression', but some can only see a black woman with a voice as that so it's to be expected.

I really like and admire Hanah. She seems intelligent, educated and well-informed, as well as being loyal and willing to stand up for her principles. To me, she came across as strong, passionate and principled, and even if some of her response to BB was a little rude, the shock value created its own humour. Hanah is probably my favourite of the girls.

You make a lot of great points in your post, but I kind of wish you’d left out your last sentence as it reads as if there might be some subtle accusations being implied, which might well be unfair to members who could have valid reasons for disagreeing with Hanah, and, as a consequence all those good point you made could be over-shadowed.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Garfie

I really like and admire Hanah. She seems intelligent, educated and well-informed, as well as being loyal and willing to stand up for her principles. To me, she came across as strong, passionate and principled, and even if some of her response to BB was a little rude, the shock value created its own humour. Hanah is probably my favourite of the girls.

You make a lot of great points in your post, but I kind of wish you’d left out your last sentence as it reads as if there might be some subtle accusations being implied, which might well be unfair to members who could have valid reasons for disagreeing with Hanah, and, as a consequence all those good point you made could be over-shadowed.

I purposefully used some for that reason, because I certainly don't think all. In all honesty, it was more of a comment regarding the FB and X fanbase rather than here. It's amazing how different the experience is on different platforms.

Some of the takes out there are wild, especially on FB which seems the worst. I do think that there are many in the BB viewer base that think this way.

But, for sure, I am always ready to accept that some have fair and valid views on her, even if they aren't fans

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by vesavius

I purposefully used some for that reason, because I certainly don't think all. In all honesty, it was more of a comment regarding the FB and X fanbase rather than here. It's amazing how different the experience is on different platforms.

Some of the takes out there are wild, especially on FB which seems the worst. I do think that there are many in the BB viewer base that think this way.

But, for sure, I am always ready to accept that some have fair and valid views on her, even if they aren't fans

Cheers for your response, Vesuvius, and for not taking any offence at what I said, as afterwards I questioned whether it might come across as criticism. I thought that you made some really important and insightful observations, which I didn’t want to be disregarded by those who make the decision to divert by taking offence when they see the opportunity.

I’ve really enjoyed reading your posts, even on those occasions when our perceptions might have differed, as your thought process is always clear, and your points are well-considered. The impression I get is that, like Hanah, you have the courage of your convictions.