[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

The same excuse all of the time.

He hasn’t been in a coma for the last 30yrs and woke up today. The only way that excuse would make sense and be excusable. Attitudes have changed. He was there when they did.

Attitudes on TV have changed. TV is not the real world.

We had very little words back in the day that described all these new sexualities weve to learn, and also all these new mental illnesses.

Unless he was being antagonistic and deliberate he's just using words he is used to.

Something that's funny though..you can't call a woman a fag hag anymore. Not because you could be insulting the woman, but because it's insulting a man.

Crazy times, people should be forgiven for getting things wrong sometimes.

The sexual innuendos though...nah. That's a bit much at his age.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Yes i hope so. He's very old fashioned in mentality, he probably doesn't understand it.
But I don't think he would want to upset someone.

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The excuse.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

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The excuse.

Urgh there's no point discussing anything with you

[arista]

It was bound to happen.

[Crimson Dynamo]

oh look its not been amended

[Glenn.]

Doesn’t need to be

[Glenn.]

You excused his behaviour also.

Glad he apologised.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

You excused his behaviour also.

Glad he apologised.

I said he did wrong. You can think what you want

[Beso]

Wasn't it the girls and their gay friends who coined the phrase originally. Ie, what the gay guy would jokingly call all the girls?

That was my understanding of it in the late 80s early 90s.

[MTVN]

Wow all three of those comments are pretty bad but particularly the last one. Would definitely be kicked out in the civilian series

[MTVN]

Bear in mind that Americans just don't use 'fag' for cigarettes so that's pretty deliberate

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Bear in mind that Americans just don't use 'fag' for cigarettes so that's pretty deliberate

I just said this my other half

[Beso]

He mis read things. He has his guardian angel thing use. He is planning to use it on her. (Or Daley)He was being matey, thinking Jojo wouldn't mind the banter. 2 Americans being American, in Britain. No malice intended, and more the viewer being angry than anyone involved.

[Benjamin]

I think it says more about Jojo with how she was with it when he apologised more than anything. I honestly hadn’t rated her much and had my negative expectations of her, and she’s not hitting those expectations in a good way. Pleasantly surprised with her.

[Ammi]

…(…I think…)…that Chris also has looked good through it all in the way that he tried to stop Mickey throughout but Mickey kept on going and going…he was very supportive late with JoJo as well…

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I think it says more about Jojo with how she was with it when he apologised more than anything. I honestly hadn’t rated her much and had my negative expectations of her, and she’s not hitting those expectations in a good way. Pleasantly surprised with her.

She handled it so well!

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Livia

Why they bother I just don't know. They should maybe just fill up the house with the usual vacuous and vanilla influencers, reality stars and models.

I'm surprised the cast hasn't just become at least 50% Youtubers and Instagram folk. There's got be enough unbusted egos on both those platforms to really set the fireworks off... it's not like many of the names they have now are more well-known to the target demographic.

Originally Posted by Beso

Attitudes on TV have changed. TV is not the real world.

It's not?

Originally Posted by MTVN

Bear in mind that Americans just don't use 'fag' for cigarettes so that's pretty deliberate

"Fag" is often used as a synonym to a complete idiot, someone who acts so ridiculous it's incredibly annoying and aggravating... but in this context, he's certainly using it for homosexuality. The former definition was used really heavily in the 90s among the young. So it has a non-sexual connotation on the side... but it's certainly always an insult. So it's entirely possible he not only insulted her sexuality, but also her mentality.

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I think it says more about Jojo with how she was with it when he apologized more than anything. I honestly hadn’t rated her much and had my negative expectations of her, and she’s not hitting those expectations in a good way. Pleasantly surprised with her.

Her mask really slipped, I think. Her comment in the diary room along the lines where she said "I think what you have to do in the Big Brother house is care for others" ... she's been there 1 day.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Maru

Her mask really slipped, I think. Her comment in the diary room along the lines where she said "I think what you have to do in the Big Brother house is care for others" ... she's been there 1 day.

With all due respect, that’s a weak comment. The fact people are making out she was the bad person in this says more about those people. She isn’t villainising Mickey (and she absolutely could), but she has a right to be offended.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

With all due respect, that’s a weak comment. The fact people are making out she was the bad person in this says more about those people. She isn’t villainising Mickey (and she absolutely could), but she has a right to be offended.

I didn't think she came out the bad person. I think that when people come into conflict, we see what turns their gears... while she is certainly in the right for calling him out on his words as she perceived it in connection to his behavior, but then she's gone further and made it about her views about how the house should be conducted and how other people should conduct themselves... I find her to be dictatorial and that's just an early impression of her, but that's completely separate from Mickey's behavior. I think he's shown himself to be an asshole and he has a condescending air when he is dealing with other people... that's not a good look, either.

I suspect both, especially being American, we tend to pick up on these little things that get under the skin more easily, especially as egos might be clashing a bit. He saw an opportunity to have a go and to say whatever is on his mind in the moment, which is more socially accepted here. She saw the opportunity to make a big statement about it, which is fine in a way, but it's not my cup of tea when others try to influence other people into how they should conduct themselves.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Maru

I didn't think she came out the bad person. I think that when people come into conflict, we see what turns their gears... while she is certainly in the right for calling him out on his words as she perceived it in connection to his behavior, but then she's gone further and made it about her views about how the house should be conducted and how other people should conduct themselves... I find her to be dictatorial and that's just an early impression of her, but that's completely separate from Mickey's behavior. I think he's shown himself to be an asshole and he has a condescending air when he is dealing with other people... that's not a good look, either.

I suspect both, especially being American, we tend to pick up on these little things that get under the skin more easily, especially as egos might be clashing a bit. He saw an opportunity to have a go and to say whatever is on his mind in the moment, which is more socially accepted here. She saw the opportunity to make a big statement about it, which is fine in a way, but it's not my cup of tea when others try to influence other people into how they should conduct themselves.

I apologise. Calling it a weak comment was uncalled for. I should have asked for further clarification on your view before saying that.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I apologise. Calling it a weak comment was uncalled for. I should have asked for further clarification on your view before saying that.

It's actually my fault. I took for granted we were all just in the Live thread. It's because of the context of the comment I responded which probably made it sound like it was different kind of commentary, so I figured that was why and didn't take offense..

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Maru

"Fag" is often used as a synonym to a complete idiot, someone who acts so ridiculous it's incredibly annoying and aggravating...

Like in Fairytale of New York - when she's calling him a faggot, she's obviously calling him an idiot instead of randomly deciding he's gay

[letmein]

Originally Posted by Maru

I'm surprised the cast hasn't just become at least 50% Youtubers and Instagram folk. There's got be enough unbusted egos on both those platforms to really set the fireworks off... it's not like many of the names they have now are more well-known to the target demographic.




It's not?



"Fag" is often used as a synonym to a complete idiot, someone who acts so ridiculous it's incredibly annoying and aggravating... but in this context, he's certainly using it for homosexuality. The former definition was used really heavily in the 90s among the young. So it has a non-sexual connotation on the side... but it's certainly always an insult. So it's entirely possible he not only insulted her sexuality, but also her mentality.



Her mask really slipped, I think. Her comment in the diary room along the lines where she said "I think what you have to do in the Big Brother house is care for others" ... she's been there 1 day.

No, fag is not used in a non-homophobic way in the US. It’s a big no-no, period. It doesn’t matter the intent. It’s homophobic, period and has a horrendous history in the US.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by letmein

No, fag is not used in a non-homophobic way in the US. It’s a big no-no, period. It doesn’t matter the intent. It’s homophobic, period and has a horrendous history in the US.

That's not true. It's still used in the other non-homophobic definition even today and it's an acceptable use of it as another type of insult. Kind of like how (the n-word) is used outside of being a direct racial slur, it has a friendly, fluid use-case. Re-appropriating language for amusing effect is very American. Though how appropriate a re-appropriated interpretation can be determined by the listener, I suppose.

It's possible Mickey thought that playing around with Jojo would be more appropriate since she would know that we use fluid language. The language suddenly is less fluid in popular media in recent years, but common American English used among normal people is not treated that strictly... I've never seen anyone chewed out for using fag in the looser variant. It's usually a word that's tossed around in a joking manner among friends... though Mickey was using it in a way that was not casual like that and using the slur variant to press buttons...

[Ammi]

…tbf, I’ve read many comments on other sites…(…comments from American people…)…and the overwhelming vibe seems to be that it’s a much outdated British expression for a cigarette and this was an American using the term to another American so it felt very intentional in its slur…