[Vicky.]

There could be thousands and thousands of 'he didn't touch me' stories and they still would not discount the ones who say he did, thats not quite how it works. Many kids who came into contact with Saville could say he never touched them, what would that prove? Genuinely not seeing it, though its not me desperate to prove he is innocent. Not invested in it either way tbh, but it does seem, to me, that its likely he was a nonce...and if not at the very least he behaved inappropriately with many children

That Talun Zeitoun is gorgeous...but yeah, the photos of him with Michael really do look photoshopped, and not photoshopped well either.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

There could be thousands and thousands of 'he didn't touch me' stories and they still would not discount the ones who say he did, thats not quite how it works. Many kids who came into contact with Saville could say he never touched them, what would that prove? Genuinely not seeing it, though its not me desperate to prove he is innocent. Not invested in it either way tbh, but it does seem, to me, that its likely he was a nonce...and if not at the very least he behaved inappropriately with many children

That Talun Zeitoun is gorgeous...but yeah, the photos of him with Michael really do look photoshopped, and not photoshopped well either.

Well he did give the name of the photographer,sure he would have denied this pic

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well he did give the name of the photographer,sure he would have denied this pic

Maybe, no judging on the photoshop thing really, just really does look very photoshopped to me Makes no odds really if it is or isn't.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

But these two have said on the trial that nothing happened. Now they both changed their minds? Seems fishy to me.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

But these two have said on the trial that nothing happened. Now they both changed their minds? Seems fishy to me.

Would you say it's more or less fishy than a grown man sharing his bed with random 7-11 year olds he befriends?

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Would you say it's more or less fishy than a grown man sharing his bed with random 7-11 year olds he befriends?

He was cleared in court. That's good enough for me. Police followed him for years and found no evidence whatsoever. I.need some evidence before I believe any of it.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

He was cleared in court. That's good enough for me. Police followed him for years and found no evidence whatsoever. I.need some evidence before I believe any of it.

So was OJ. Good job avoiding my actual question though

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So was OJ. Good job avoiding my actual question though

Yes thats not right, but it doesn't mean he was guilty.

[Vicky.]

Also to be clear, I am not discrediting his story at all. I just don't think stories coming out of kids he did not touch, have an bearing on those who say he did touch them Pedos don't tend to abuse every kid they come into contact with. Thought that was well known, but seemingly not.

[joeysteele]

Inappropriate behaviour is not always a crime however.
Just saying.

That's for Police, authorities and other parties to decide in law.
Via a court and jury.

Before anyone should be declared criminally guilty.
Again it's avoided because it doesn't suit.
However, MJ denied all, fought all in court and was found not guilty of anything on all 14 counts.
10 serious and even 4 of minor categorisation.

Just adding that again although it's become a waste of time doing so.
In my opinion.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Inappropriate behaviour is not always a crime however.
Just saying.

That's for Police, authorities and other parties to decide in law.
Via a court and jury.

Before anyone should be declared criminally guilty.
Again it's avoided because it doesn't suit.
However, MJ denied all, fought all in court and was found not guilty of anything on all 14 counts.
10 serious and even 4 of minor categorisation.

Just adding that again although it's become a waste of time doing so.
In my opinion.

I know. I said "at the very least"

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I know. I said "at the very least"

To me this sounds more like grasping at straws , it's like you're saying "ought even if MJ isn't a paedophile he was still inappropriate" whatever that means .

It's like when people put emphasis on "emotional abuse" again what a load of rubbish .

If you see someone as weird and not normal then you see things that aren't exactly true, just saying . Media have been gunning for mj for years and now they're enjoying these new allegations . There's people who want mj to be this "freaky child abuser" it's worrying how things get twisted.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

To me this sounds more like grasping at straws , it's like you're saying "ought even if MJ isn't a paedophile he was still inappropriate" whatever that means .



It's like when people put emphasis on "emotional abuse" again what a load of rubbish .



If you see someone as weird and not normal then you see things that aren't exactly true, just saying . Media have been gunning for mj for years and now they're enjoying these new allegations . There's people who want mj to be this "freaky child abuser" it's worrying how things get twisted.

Well no that's not what I'm saying at all, I firmly believe that his clear inappropriate behaviour was because he was a paedophile, any other excuse for his clearly inappropriate behaviour around kids, to me, is people "grasping at straws "

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well no that's not what I'm saying at all, I firmly believe that his clear inappropriate behaviour was because he was a paedophile, any other excuse for his clearly inappropriate behaviour around kids, to me, is people "grasping at straws "

Disagree with you !

People are trying to say MJ abandoned kids,these kids were NOT even his own children OMG . why not question the parenting of these kids .

Plus MJ was a dad and had his own kids to look after , plus he was extremely busy working ,either performing or going on tours as well as charity work. I honestly think some of these fans expected or wanted mj to spend 24/7 with them which is NOT possible !!! .

Wade's mother kept pushing herself and wade back into MJ's life ,she kept writing him letters and kept stalking him . But they've made it seem like MJ was the one pursuing them. Like I said it's easy to twist things when facts are ignored .

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well no that's not what I'm saying at all, I firmly believe that his clear inappropriate behaviour was because he was a paedophile, any other excuse for his clearly inappropriate behaviour around kids, to me, is people "grasping at straws "

Absolutely right in my opinion too
I've never bought the "he never had a childhood" bollocks. Like that should excuse his questionable behaviour around pre pubescent children. Plenty of people had far worse and never felt that having children stay in their beds is the way to get over that.

The parents are also guilty.

In fact the only innocents of this whole sordid tale are the children who have been exposed to all of this (at the time- whether you believe the allegations or not, they should never have been placed in a situation such as that where inappropriateness could or could not happen), either by their parents or by a global superstar who had a strong team of advisors around him.

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Inappropriate behaviour is not always a crime however.
Just saying.

That's for Police, authorities and other parties to decide in law.
Via a court and jury.

Before anyone should be declared criminally guilty.
Again it's avoided because it doesn't suit.
However, MJ denied all, fought all in court and was found not guilty of anything on all 14 counts.
10 serious and even 4 of minor categorisation.

Just adding that again although it's become a waste of time doing so.
In my opinion.

I agree.

[Vicky.]

Again with the 'it doesnt suit' as if people WANT him to have touched kids. It sure does not suit me that I think he is guilty. I love his music and feel guilty when I hear it! Its a strange position to be in really. I would much rather I did not believe it

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Again with the 'it doesnt suit' as if people WANT him to have touched kids. It sure does not suit me that I think he is guilty. I love his music and feel guilty when I hear it! Its a strange position to be in really. I would much rather I did not believe it

Yep same here. I have no ides why people would think that I would actually want him to be guilty either

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yep same here. I have no ides why people would think that I would actually want him to be guilty either

But didn't you say you were thankful he is dead ?

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

But didn't you say you were thankful he is dead ?

Because I think he's a paedo, yeah? I don't think you read my post here correctly Kazanne. I don't hope he is a paedo but I do think he is.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Because I think he's a paedo, yeah? I don't think you read my post here correctly Kazanne. I don't hope he is a paedo but I do think he is.

I just thought it was quite a harsh thing to say when no one is 100% he has done anything wrong.

[thesheriff443]

Just been to my local cafe, the owner has memorabilia on the wall.

He still has Mj jacket from his 1988 tour and signed photo of Mj and dancer. On the wall.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Just been to my local cafe, the owner has memorabilia on the wall.

He still has Mj jacket from his 1988 tour and signed photo of Mj and dancer. On the wall.

Good for them I say sheriff, removing them and not playing his music will not change anything.

[Kazanne]

I was sent this earlier ,posting it as promised,
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...emories?page=1

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I was sent this earlier ,posting it as promised,
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...emories?page=1

Genuine question, who keeps asking you to post these links?