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Vanessa · 13-03-2019, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

In my view, at the very least it makes him guilty of extremely inappropriate behaviour around children (namely young boys of a certain age)

I agree with this.

joeysteele · 13-03-2019, 11:16 AM

Inappropriate behaviour is not always a crime however.
Just saying.

That's for Police, authorities and other parties to decide in law.
Via a court and jury.

Before anyone should be declared criminally guilty.
Again it's avoided because it doesn't suit.
However, MJ denied all, fought all in court and was found not guilty of anything on all 14 counts.
10 serious and even 4 of minor categorisation.

Just adding that again although it's become a waste of time doing so.
In my opinion.

Niamh. · 13-03-2019, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Inappropriate behaviour is not always a crime however.
Just saying.

That's for Police, authorities and other parties to decide in law.
Via a court and jury.

Before anyone should be declared criminally guilty.
Again it's avoided because it doesn't suit.
However, MJ denied all, fought all in court and was found not guilty of anything on all 14 counts.
10 serious and even 4 of minor categorisation.

Just adding that again although it's become a waste of time doing so.
In my opinion.

I know. I said "at the very least"

Vicky. · 13-03-2019, 11:19 AM

Again with the 'it doesnt suit' as if people WANT him to have touched kids. It sure does not suit me that I think he is guilty. I love his music and feel guilty when I hear it! Its a strange position to be in really. I would much rather I did not believe it

Vanessa · 13-03-2019, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

Inappropriate behaviour is not always a crime however.
Just saying.

That's for Police, authorities and other parties to decide in law.
Via a court and jury.

Before anyone should be declared criminally guilty.
Again it's avoided because it doesn't suit.
However, MJ denied all, fought all in court and was found not guilty of anything on all 14 counts.
10 serious and even 4 of minor categorisation.

Just adding that again although it's become a waste of time doing so.
In my opinion.

I agree.

Niamh. · 13-03-2019, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Again with the 'it doesnt suit' as if people WANT him to have touched kids. It sure does not suit me that I think he is guilty. I love his music and feel guilty when I hear it! Its a strange position to be in really. I would much rather I did not believe it

Yep same here. I have no ides why people would think that I would actually want him to be guilty either

Kazanne · 13-03-2019, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yep same here. I have no ides why people would think that I would actually want him to be guilty either

But didn't you say you were thankful he is dead ?

Niamh. · 13-03-2019, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

But didn't you say you were thankful he is dead ?

Because I think he's a paedo, yeah? I don't think you read my post here correctly Kazanne. I don't hope he is a paedo but I do think he is.

thesheriff443 · 13-03-2019, 12:28 PM

Just been to my local cafe, the owner has memorabilia on the wall.

He still has Mj jacket from his 1988 tour and signed photo of Mj and dancer. On the wall.

Kazanne · 13-03-2019, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Because I think he's a paedo, yeah? I don't think you read my post here correctly Kazanne. I don't hope he is a paedo but I do think he is.

I just thought it was quite a harsh thing to say when no one is 100% he has done anything wrong.

Kazanne · 13-03-2019, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Just been to my local cafe, the owner has memorabilia on the wall.

He still has Mj jacket from his 1988 tour and signed photo of Mj and dancer. On the wall.

Good for them I say sheriff, removing them and not playing his music will not change anything.

Niamh. · 13-03-2019, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

I just thought it was quite a harsh thing to say when no one is 100% he has done anything wrong.

About as harsh as some of the stuff that's been said about potential victims of child sex abuse I would say, when no one is 100% sure that they're not victims

Kazanne · 13-03-2019, 01:46 PM

I was sent this earlier ,posting it as promised,
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...emories?page=1

Tom4784 · 13-03-2019, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

About as harsh as some of the stuff that's been said about potential victims of child sex abuse I would say when no one is 100% sure that they're not victims

Pretty much.

AnnieK · 13-03-2019, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

I was sent this earlier ,posting it as promised,
https://www.psychologytoday.com/gb/b...emories?page=1

Genuine question, who keeps asking you to post these links?

Kazanne · 13-03-2019, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

Genuine question, who keeps asking you to post these links?

I am not sure I should name them Annie otherwise they would have posted them themselves,I've no doubt they will let me know if it's ok to say ,they have just sent me links and a couple of vids maybe they don't know how do post the vids or don't want to be shot down for thinking MJ is innocent

I have also found some myself, it's no big deal really it's all there on the net ,for or against.

AnnieK · 13-03-2019, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

I am not sure I should name them Annie otherwise they would have posted them themselves,I've no doubt they will let me know if it's ok to say ,they have just sent me links and a couple of vids maybe they don't know how do post the vids or don't want to be shot down for thinking MJ is innocent

I have also found some myself, it's no big deal really it's all there on the net ,for or against.

Ah, as I said Kaz, it was a genuine question as I thought you meant it was someone off site asking you to post which seemed odd.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and its not a case of anyone being shot down I don't think, people on both sides have been disagreed with.

I have had my views about MJ for a very long time, since the first documentary and I still feel that he is absolutely guilty of emotional abuse as well. This documentary had nothing to do with my thoughts on him and nothing anyone has posted has made me have change my opinion.

Kazanne · 13-03-2019, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK

Ah, as I said Kaz, it was a genuine question as I thought you meant it was someone off site asking you to post which seemed odd.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and its not a case of anyone being shot down I don't think, people on both sides have been disagreed with.

I have had my views about MJ for a very long time, since the first documentary and I still feel that he is absolutely guilty of emotional abuse as well. This documentary had nothing to do with my thoughts on him and nothing anyone has posted has made me have change my opinion.

Oh no Annie it wasn't anyone off site,just a couple of members . I respect your opinion Annie, I just fine too many things don't seem to add up for me, but we all see things differently.

chuff me dizzy · 13-03-2019, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I'm not an idiot I understand all that but it doesn't fit with James & Wade's stories

I'm not going to believe 2 well known pathological liars ! , its as simply as that . plus if they've lived under oath what makes you think suddenly they're telling the truth??? I can't understand that.

Pleas show proof of your claim

user104658 · 13-03-2019, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

Oh no Annie it wasn't anyone off site,just a couple of members . I respect your opinion Annie, I just fine too many things don't seem to add up for me, but we all see things differently.

As a genuine question Kaz; sexual abuse allegations totally aside, do you think that the way he discarded children / went through a serious of "favourites" one after the other could be considered abusive in itself?

Cherie · 13-03-2019, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As a genuine question Kaz; sexual abuse allegations totally aside, do you think that the way he discarded children / went through a serious of "favourites" one after the other could be considered abusive in itself?

Did that actually happen though? they seemed to be intimating that he cast them aside at age 10 but they were with him well into their teens, that Jimmy was hanging out the hotel window in Paris and he must have been 14 or so. If he was trapped in his childhood obviously as they grew older they would have been less interested in popcorn and movie night etc so it would have been a natural transition to befriend other children...I don't know I lean both ways but I think each argument could have an innocuous reason as well an a not so innocuous one

Kazanne · 13-03-2019, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

As a genuine question Kaz; sexual abuse allegations totally aside, do you think that the way he discarded children / went through a serious of "favourites" one after the other could be considered abusive in itself?

But again we only have their word he 'discarded' them, they said they felt discarded , well one of them did, maybe they all just moved on in life , didn't Michael get married and have kids of his own ,maybe his time was more needed for them , could be the boys grew older and faded away (until now) , MJ had tours ,recordings, many , many things to do maybe it was just a lack of time , besides he stayed friends with a few of them , and he also had lady friends and no doubt a lot of his time was taken up with career stuff.