[Pyramid*]

What planet is this man on? Bricking it more like now that he's having to face up to being released in the not too distant future.

funny that... didn't see him giving as much concern for little Peter....

The paedophile jailed over the death of Baby P will be free in six weeks and is demanding an expensive new identity.
Jason Owen, 39, who was convicted of causing or allowing the death of Peter Connelly, wants taxpayers to pay for plastic surgery so he can ‘start a new life’ under a different name.
The arsonist and former crack addict will walk free on the fourth anniversary of the death. Yesterday his victim’s family reacted with fury on learning the sadistic lodger wants help to get a seaside council house for his girlfriend and his five children.
At Wandsworth Prison he has told other offenders he is innocent and deserves a fresh start when he is released so that he can work as a personal trainer.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1QAty1nHw

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-identity.html

[Livia]

He should be marched out into the middle of a field, stood over a hole and shot in the back of the head. No ceremony, no "I am the Truth and the Light sayeth the Lord.." It's a job I would be happy to do.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

He should be marched out into the middle of a field, stood over a hole and shot in the back of the head. No ceremony, no "I am the Truth and the Light sayeth the Lord.." It's a job I would be happy to do.

Alright we're not fighting some war here

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Alright we're not fighting some war here

What? You think I'm maybe being too harsh? I'm saying that people like him don't deserve to live and should be executed with the minimum fuss.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

What? You think I'm maybe being too harsh? I'm saying that people like him don't deserve to live and should be executed with the minimum fuss.

Sounds like the sort of punishment they use to give to a deserter in a war, or when they're executing one of the enemy, standing them in front of a ditch and putting a bullet in the back of the head. And yes, I'm against the death penalty & so I wouldnt support it myself.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Sounds like the sort of punishment they use to give to a deserter in a war, or when they're executing one of the enemy, standing them in front of a ditch and putting a bullet in the back of the head. And yes, I'm against the death penalty & so I wouldnt support it myself.

I'm surprised, considering what this excuse for a man did, that your first thought is that I'm being too harsh.

Your prerogative though. Me? I'd shoot him and save us all a few decades worth of the cash we'd pay to keep him.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

He should be marched out into the middle of a field, stood over a hole and shot in the back of the head. No ceremony, no "I am the Truth and the Light sayeth the Lord.." It's a job I would be happy to do.

I am not an advocate for the death penalty but this case has as has others, made me feel really sick.

I really think these people are so inhuman they lose the right to be classed as human.On this one I am with you Livia and I am sick and tired of these toddlers suffering so inhumanely at the hands of elders who should be actually protecting them and keeping them safe.

There are no morals or decency about people who can do this to a child and end the child's life too.There is not a word in any language rotten enough to describe the torture these scum put this child through.

[patsylimerick]

My head's with In One but my heaert's with Pyramid and Livia. I would prefer someone like this to be killed, if I'm brutally honest. But I do understand the argument that 'we' are then surrendering the moral authority. It really bothers me, though, when it comes to this kind of crime. There are no words for how abhorrent it is. Maybe In One's idea would work. But the conditions would have to be fairly grim. This kind of behaviour should not be rewarded with hand-holding, liberal nonsense. There is certainly a dearth of consequences in our modern society, if violent crime rates are anything to go by. These people are afraid of no-one and nothing and have no compunction or empathy. So how DO we stop this kind of thing happening without the ultimate punishment?

[Niamh.]

4 years is all Peters life was worth? and he's going back to care for 5 children?

[InOne]

Society deserves to be protected from people like him

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by InOne

Society deserves to be protected from people like him

Absolutely.

[InOne]

Let's not get into the capital punishment thing again please It's an impossible argument lol

[Vicky.]

He'll probably get it too.

Damn soft 'justice' system

[bbfan1991]

^ Probably, that would be so unfair (quote TM: Susan Ma).

[Tom4784]

I'm with MTVN on this one. The whole point of our Justice system is that we're better then the criminals we punish, shooting someone in a ditch is hardly a good example of that. It's an emotional response that has no place in justice. It's misguided and pointless to call vengeance justice and not enough people can make that distinction. If you want to talk law or justice then leave your emotions at the door.

[InOne]

They should build a whole unit for pervered sexual psychopaths and violent paedophiles. And put money into studying them. And try sift out the one's that are willing to help and talk openly. Killing them won't stop Paedophiles being born and nor will it stop paedophiles acting out.

[Vicky.]

Or just stick em all on a deserted island somewhere. Less cost, less risk, and they are among people the same as themselves, and out of the way of normal people. Hopefully a few get attacked by wild animals or something too, make it a bit sweeter

[bbfan1991]

Put all people like that and paedophiles in a cage for the lions to eat.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Or just stick em all on a deserted island somewhere. Less cost, less risk, and they are among people the same as themselves, and out of the way of normal people. Hopefully a few get attacked by wild animals or something too, make it a bit sweeter

We tried that before and it **** on us. See Australia

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by rhino

After 17 months of unimaginable cruelty, Baby P finally succumbedAdam Fresco
When the infant known in court only as Baby P was brought home from hospital days after his birth in March 2006, it was as a bubbly, blue-eyed boy with the first signs of curly blond hair. He was, according to those who came into contact with him, a lively child with a ready smile.

After 17 months enduring abuse of an almost unimaginable cruelty, the boy had been reduced to a nervous wreck, his hair shaved to the scalp and his body covered in bruises and scabs. Physical injuries included eight broken ribs, a broken back and the missing top of a finger, while the emotional damage was almost incalculable. Despite it all, Baby P was said to have still attempted a smile.

The jury was told that details of the intervening months, leading to the baby’s death last August, would “fill [them] with revulsion”. But even this could not prepare jurors — one of whom could not hold back tears — for one of the worst cases of sadistic brutality and sordid child neglect to come before a British court.

Baby P’s life in a council flat in Haringey, North London, began with gradual and growing neglect at the hands of his mother, who would leave him unattended for hours in his cot. The overweight woman, who had never had a full-time job and spent hours trawling the internet for pornography, split from the boy’s natural father when he was 3 months old after affairs with two men.

When the second lover moved in, Baby P’s suffering increased dramatically. The court heard that while his mother gossiped with friends in online chat rooms, her boyfriend took to beating the boy, swinging him around by the neck or legs and pinching him.

The Times has been told that the man, who cannot be identified for legal reasons, forced Baby P to follow commands like a dog. At the click of a finger he would have to sit with his head bent between his legs; 20 minutes later a second click would be the signal that he could sit upright again.

A second man, Jason Owen, also subjected the boy to similar abuse. Owen, who stayed at the house for five weeks with his 15-year-old girlfriend, was found guilty with the boyfriend of causing or allowing the death of a child. The mother admitted her guilt at an earlier hearing.

Police were told that the boyfriend, a 32-year-old collector of Nazi memorabilia, wanted to “toughen him up”. Other routines included placing the baby on a stool and spinning it around until he fell off.

The authorities had first voiced concerns about possible abuse by October 2006, when a GP noticed marks on the boy. But his mother, in the first of many episodes of deception and false reassurances, insisted she had found that his skin “bruised easily”.

Two months later the GP sent the pair to the Whittington Hospital, North London, after inspecting a head injury. Insisting that her child was “a head-banger” fond of “rough and tumble play”, the mother claimed that fingermarks were merely the result of when he was caught after being lovingly held and thrown into the air.

Social services were informed and visited the flat, which was found to be dirty, untidy and smelling of urine. They learnt that it was shared with the boy’s grandmother and three dogs, including a rottweiler, but remained unaware that it also harboured a violent boyfriend. They decided to let the child stay with a family friend while police inquiries continued.

A month later, in January 2007, with no decision made on any charge against either woman, the boy was allowed back home. As he grew too old for milk and jars of baby food, Baby P scavenged bits of broken biscuits from older children and was even seen eating dirt in the garden. Detectives found that after the boyfriend moved in there was not one piece of the boy’s clothing that was not spattered with blood


Appropriate or not I agree with Livia, I can't believe there's a parent out there who wouldn't

Whilst Livia's post may have been a bit on the 'brutal' side..... I really can't see how anyone wouldn't feel that such action (whether tempered a little or not to suit the pc /HR brigade) - is quite deserved for the likes of the pond life.

[Vicky.]

I dont give a **** about his rights to be honest. Commit a crime like that, you dont deserve anything.

I agree with livia and pyramid.

And I dont understand how people can be so...understanding...about a monster who did what he did :/

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I dont give a **** about his rights to be honest. Commit a crime like that, you dont deserve anything.

I agree with livia and pyramid.

And I dont understand how people can be so...understanding...about a monster who did what he did :/

If I am very honest Vicky. Neither do I. This pondlife has shown no regard for the HR, dignity or respect for a defenceless toddler to whom he helped inflict the most awful abuse and torture.

Why anyone would feel he deserves the very basic fundamental right that he refused such an innocent child... horrifies me. In fact, it sickens me.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

If I am very honest Vicky. Neither do I. This pondlife has shown no regard for the HR, dignity or respect for a defenceless toddler to whom he helped inflict the most awful abuse and torture.

Why anyone would feel he deserves the very basic fundamental right that he refused such an innocent child... horrifies me. In fact, it sickens me.

There's not one single justifiable point to disagree with you on this post Pyramid,I couldn't agree more.

[Ammi]

Whatever we feel he deserves, of course there is no death penalty and he will be released and I think Pyramid's question was should he be given a new identity at the considerable cost to us. As far as I am concerned he can rot in hell because that's what Baby P did, they left him to rot in a living hell until his body found peace. That may sound harsh, inappropriate, inhumane, well those are words that describe him perfectly and sometimes in life there is no compassion left.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by rhino

Whatever we feel he deserves, of course there is no death penalty and he will be released and I think Pyramid's question was should he be given a new identity at the considerable cost to us. As far as I am concerned he can rot in hell because that's what Baby P did, they left him to rot in a living hell until his body found peace. That may sound harsh, inappropriate, inhumane, well those are words that describe him perfectly and sometimes in life there is no compassion left.

Thanks for reining in the natural emotions that many of us are feeling and venting.

That indeed was the matter in hand.

I happen to agree - as I said in my OP - he made his bloody bed: he can lie in it when 'freedom ' comes - and take the consequences. without being given right to a new life or anonymity.