[Beverley]

Originally Posted by boomoo

Trying to make a joke of what he has been through is very cruel.
You are male or female depending on your hormonal make up and DNA not what body parts you have.

Just to clarify, the post you quoted me on was in response to the following:

Originally Posted by Germyle

I don't think that she was being deliberately transphobic though.

Originally Posted by Beverley

Oh she was, she knew exactly what she was saying.

[sampvt]

Please close this post down its creating discord and going nowhere. The one side cant stand to hear critism and the other side cant post their views for fear of being infracted. Its a go nowhere subject as its so one sided.

[coll]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Luke A was never a woman. he was born genetically female. If you think having a vag is all there is to being a woman then you don't know much. Gender identity is not just about yur physiology. Luke A had female physiology as a child yes, but before puberty there is really very little difference between boys and girls.

I can't tell if you are genuinely ignorant on this topic, or if you are trolling. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are genuinely ignorant.

The good news is that we live in the information age, and you can easily do some research to educate yourself about gender identity.

Fantastic comment i wish i could have said all that, Well said

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by lostalex

Luke A was never a woman. he was born genetically female. If you think having a vag is all there is to being a woman then you don't know much. Gender identity is not just about yur physiology. Luke A had female physiology as a child yes, but before puberty there is really very little difference between boys and girls.

I can't tell if you are genuinely ignorant on this topic, or if you are trolling. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you are genuinely ignorant.

The good news is that we live in the information age, and you can easily do some research to educate yourself about gender identity.

Great post, excellent points and very well said, one of the best posts I have seen on tibb anywhere.Well said Lostalex.

[MTVN]

What's the problem with accepting he's a man though, he feels he has always been one, he's had/is having surgery to that effect and he's only ever been presented to us as male, there's no reason to consider him otherwise

Originally Posted by InOne

How long is ElProximo banned for this time?

Just a day for now

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by lostalex

don't get yur hopes up, obviously he has multiple accounts, say hello to "thesheriff443"

there is only one of me!
i have no axe to grind on this subject or want to cause drama my moto is live and let live but in the same breath i am not afraid to discuss this subject.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

there is only one of me!
i have no axe to grind on this subject or want to cause drama my moto is live and let live but in the same breath i am not afraid to discuss this subject.

I don't understand why you think there is anything to discuss.

It's like saying you'd like to discuss if grass is green, but you are color blind.

We've told you the grass is green, and you can't see it. what is there to discuss?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I don't understand why you think there is anything to discuss.

It's like saying you'd like to discuss if grass is green, but you are color blind.

We've told you the grass is green, and you can't see it. what is there to discuss?

to be fair who are you or anyone else to tell me that the grass is green thats like me saying to luke a your a woman accept it.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Grotbags

I know that I don't post very often, but I am here a lot and I have to agree with lostalex.

I think that El Proximo has gotten off very lightly with a one day ban as most of his comments are extremely homophobic and/or transphobic and seem to be posted just to upset people or cause arguments.

I just read this thread and my impression was that Mods will continue to discuss it, as MTVN stated in an earlier post, so hold your horses.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by *Kate*

I just read this thread and my impression was that Mods will continue to discuss it, as MTVN stated in an earlier post, so hold your horses.

Yeah, that's also why I said just a day "for now", as Niamh said ElProximo is only recently back from a 3 month ban so it's not like we take this stuff lightly