[fruit_cake]

We've already seen this kind of aggressive talk and stance once, and there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq I'm not sure why this is any different. What exactly do Israel intend to do? Nuke millions of innocent Irani's who probably don't have two pennies to rub together?

As far as I know Iran is a poor country where four or five people own practically everything and the general population have absolutely nothing. That's where the problem lies.

[arista]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

We've already seen this kind of aggressive talk and stance once, and there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq I'm not sure why this is any different. What exactly do Israel intend to do? Nuke millions of innocent Irani's who probably don't have two pennies to rub together? As far as I know Iran is a poor country where four or five people own practically everything and the general population have absolutely nothing.

Iran has had other Nations helping their Nuke Industry.

Yes the people of Iran could be poor
its hard to know as Live TV cameras are rare,
Fox News sent Amy who is the London worker
once Live from Iran. That was amazing

[fruit_cake]

I'm no expert on Iran but I was talking to a lady who worked in B&Q the other day who had come from Iran and she was telling me that the differences between rich and poor were absolultely desperate, very similar to the feudal societies in Britain in the dark ages. One person owning all the wealth living in a castle and the rest starving to death.

Moreover, the man on your news clip there Arista for want of a better analogy reminds me of the defence secretary in Independance day, chomping at the bit to test out his super duper new toy in this case Nukes.

Maybe if the ordinary people of Iran had some kind of future to look forward too, deranged nuts like Mr Ahmedianajad or however you spell it, and his dream of wiping Israel out would not be listened quite as carefully.

They have so little the only thing they seem to have is hatred.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

We've already seen this kind of aggressive talk and stance once, and there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq I'm not sure why this is any different. What exactly do Israel intend to do? Nuke millions of innocent Irani's who probably don't have two pennies to rub together?

As far as I know Iran is a poor country where four or five people own practically everything and the general population have absolutely nothing. That's where the problem lies.

and you don't spare a single thought for the million of Israeli's that could be nuked? Iran has said as a matter of national policy they want to see the destruction of Israel, even as explicitly worded as "we want to wipe them off of the map". but you spare no thought for them?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

and you don't spare a single thought for the million of Israeli's that could be nuked? Iran has said as a matter of national policy they want to see the destruction of Israel, even as explicitly worded as "we want to wipe them off of the map". but you spare no thought for them?

What on earth are you talking about? I have jews in my family. Who said I wouldnt have sympathy for people nuked? I sympathised hugely when the americans nuked the japanese twice , killing a million and left leukemia behind for 50 years. I have sympathy for anyone embroiled in any war. Youre totally missing the point and changing the subject. the entire israeli project was not for anyones benefit but the rich. the jews and palestines were merely used as pawns in a very very dangerous long game.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

What on earth are you talking about? I have jews in my family. Who said I wouldnt have sympathy for people nuked? I sympathised hugely when the americans nuked the japanese twice , killing a million and left leukemia behind for 50 years. I have sympathy for anyone embroiled in any war. Youre totally missing the point and changing the subject. the entire israeli project was not for anyones benefit but the rich. the jews and palestines were merely used as pawns in a very very dangerous long game.

really? you think those palestinians blowing themselves up in the name of the cause and murdering israeli women and children, you think those suicide bombers are rich people?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

I'm no expert on Iran but I was talking to a lady who worked in B&Q the other day who had come from Iran and she was telling me that the differences between rich and poor were absolultely desperate, very similar to the feudal societies in Britain in the dark ages. One person owning all the wealth living in a castle and the rest starving to death.

Moreover, the man on your news clip there Arista for want of a better analogy reminds me of the defence secretary in Independance day, chomping at the bit to test out his super duper new toy in this case Nukes.

Maybe if the ordinary people of Iran had some kind of future to look forward too, deranged nuts like Mr Ahmedianajad or however you spell it, and his dream of wiping Israel out would not be listened quite as carefully.

They have so little the only thing they seem to have is hatred.

over 60% of graduates in Iran are women. The perception is nothing like the reality. iran has got a phenomenally rich and ancient past. the fact the rich poor divide has grown so massively is as much to do with us as them. we hand pick dictators, billionaire oil arabs, we sell the weapons to all their near neighbours and start illegal wars in their neighbouring countries. we supply weapons to both sides and pass misinformation. we need to take a look at ourselves before labelling other nations

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

really? you think those palestinians blowing themselves up in the name of the cause and murdering israeli women and children, you think those suicide bombers are rich people?

some are rich some are poor? some are acting out of revenge for having their own wives and daughters blown up. and so the circle of violence spiraals onwards.... the number of deaths of palestinians is 100 to 1 the number of israelis killed. the americans have armed the israelis to the hilt with chemical and nuclear weapons. the deaths of any civilians in war is tragic, Im sure youll agree. the whole israel project was doomed from the start, anyone with a brain knew that then and they know that now.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

and you don't spare a single thought for the million of Israeli's that could be nuked? Iran has said as a matter of national policy they want to see the destruction of Israel, even as explicitly worded as "we want to wipe them off of the map". but you spare no thought for them?

That isn't actually true:

The remarks are not out of context. They are wrong, pure and simple. Ahmadinejad never said them. Farsi speakers have pointed out that he was mistranslated. The Iranian president was quoting an ancient statement by Iran's first Islamist leader, the late Ayatollah Khomeini, that "this regime occupying Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time" just as the Shah's regime in Iran had vanished.

He was not making a military threat. He was calling for an end to the occupation of Jerusalem at some point in the future. The "page of time" phrase suggests he did not expect it to happen soon. There was no implication that either Khomeini, when he first made the statement, or Ahmadinejad, in repeating it, felt it was imminent, or that Iran would be involved in bringing it about.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...02/comment.usa

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MTVN

That isn't actually true:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...02/comment.usa

you are 100% correct, he was stating he wanted to see an end to this current regime. the far right tried to start world war 3 from this misquote. Talk about evil.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

That isn't actually true:



http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...02/comment.usa

oops, yur right, he said, not only doesn't he want Isreal wiped off the map, but also ERASED from the pages of time and history... lol, cause that's SOOO much better.

If i was Israeli that would totally make me feel better when i went to bed... they want to erase me from history. lovely. lol such a peace loving nation that is OBVIOUSLY trying to find a solution... LOL

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by the truth

over 60% of graduates in Iran are women. The perception is nothing like the reality. iran has got a phenomenally rich and ancient past. the fact the rich poor divide has grown so massively is as much to do with us as them. we hand pick dictators, billionaire oil arabs, we sell the weapons to all their near neighbours and start illegal wars in their neighbouring countries. we supply weapons to both sides and pass misinformation. we need to take a look at ourselves before labelling other nations

well I don't know about that but 'we'? maybe you did but I know I certainly didn't do any of those things that you describe there truth. It seems to me that there lies part of the problem, people wanting to 'align' themselves with nation states and using plural pronouns to describe individual persons actions.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

That isn't actually true:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...02/comment.usa

Of course, they were misquoted. Nothing aggressive or unreasonable about them. Is there.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by lostalex

oops, yur right, he said, not only doesn't he want Isreal wiped off the map, but also ERASED from the pages of time and history... lol, cause that's SOOO much better.

If i was Israeli that would totally make me feel better when i went to bed... they want to erase me from history. lovely. lol such a peace loving nation that is OBVIOUSLY trying to find a solution... LOL

Read the section of the article I quoted. Very slowly.

Or if you'd rather also have a read of these:
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/me...l-iran-rentoul
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...jun/14/post155
http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/hitc...-hitchens.html

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Read the section of the article I quoted. Very slowly.

Or if you'd rather also have a read of these:
http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/me...l-iran-rentoul
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...jun/14/post155
http://www.juancole.com/2006/05/hitc...-hitchens.html

you give them too much credit MTVN.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Livia

Of course, they were misquoted. Nothing aggressive or unreasonable about them. Is there.

I'm sorry but whatever you think about the Iranian regime Ahmedinejad did not say he wanted Israel "wiped off the map" and that is a matter of fact as attested to by numerous journalists, commentators and speakers of Farsi, including the deputy Prime Minister of Israel

[the truth]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I'm sorry but whatever you think about the Iranian regime Ahmedinejad did not say he wanted Israel "wiped off the map" and that is a matter of fact as attested to by numerous journalists, commentators and speakers of Farsi, including the deputy Prime Minister of Israel

100% correct. he said he looked forward to the day this current radical zionist regime ended. meanwhile while his words were misquoted, over a million people were killed by the americans and brits in an illegal war in iraq. not to mention the hundreds of thousands more by british, american, german, chinese, russian supplied weapons given to dictators.

obviously misquoting an iranian is more important than the deaths of milllions? utter insanity and amazing how many weak minded fools fall for this elitist propoganda spread of course by fox news.

just to point out, I am 100% pro jewish, i support their right to peace, I think holocaust denial is a crime. My family has some jewish people in it. my area in mid wales saved 200 jewish people in the 2nd world war, when the locals gave them an entire castle and protected them, fed and clothed them. i have even donated money to jewish causes. its also vital to note, that 70% of jews voted for obama and bill clinton. the majority do not believe in the current zionist movement, nor do they believe in its current agenda. the agenda is nothing to do with letting jews having a lovely peaceful homeland. but all to do with the powers having a foothold to control the middle east. it was always this way.

take the biased, radical words of mitt romney , stating he has no interest in half of the american nation (the democrats, who he claims all live off the state) and as for middle eastern policy, he blames the palestinians for everything , clearly as that suits the corporate giants and wepaons distributors who made Ł44billion in arms sales (mostly do middle eastern dictators in 2011) it sums up their narrow far right corporate agenda.

the jewish people are wrongly being smeared by the current radical zionist agenda, controlled by the rich elite.

my sympathy goes to all the people, throughout the middle east, who suffer as a result of this corrupt agenda built on media manipulation and enormous propoganda.

[lostalex]

just out of curiosity, do you also believe that when Ahmedinejad said that the holocaust was exaggerated and that 6 million jews did NOT die in ww2, and is just a lie told to justify israel? and when asked about the state oppression of gay people in Iran "that is not a problem we have in Iran"?

Was he also misquoted then?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

just out of curiosity, do you also believe that when Ahmedinejad said that the holocaust was exaggerated and that 6 million jews did NOT die in ww2, and is just a lie told to justify israel? and when asked about the state oppression of gay people in Iran "that is not a problem we have in Iran"?

Was he also misquoted then?

If you read what I actually said I think holocause denial is a crime. Although again Id question the voracity and honesty of those who interpret and translate hiw words from iranian into english, as they have lied and exaggerated his words before. however, even if he does believe homosexuality is a problem, which I do not. that is not reason enough to drop a nuclear bomb on him and his country. I think youd agree?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

If you read what I actually said I think holocause denial is a crime. Although again Id question the voracity and honesty of those who interpret and translate hiw words from iranian into english, as they have lied and exaggerated his words before. however, even if he does believe homosexuality is a problem, which I do not. that is not reason enough to drop a nuclear bomb on him and his country. I think youd agree?

You keep on saying, dropping nuclear bombs, like you're genuinely worried that Israel is gonna drop a nuke on Iran....

BUt you think it's ridiculous for Israel to be worried about Iran dropping a nuke on them?

you don't see how that's hypocritical?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You keep on saying, dropping nuclear bombs, like you're genuinely worried that Israel is gonna drop a nuke on Iran....

BUt you think it's ridiculous for Israel to be worried about Iran dropping a nuke on them?

you don't see how that's hypocritical?

no. israel has loads of nuclear bombs and has threatened in recent days to attack iran. iran has none and has not directly threatened to bomb israel. israles words and actions have been far more extreme already and they have the weaponry and the american support to create world war 3.

as for deciding some iranian leaders views of homosexuality is enough to warraqnt bombing a nation of 100 million people, thats frighteningly insane. im amazed you follow this far right wing brainwash agenda. you are aware the radical right do not give a stuff about gay peoples rights? not to mention health care and opportunity for the poor, sick and disabled?

if you judge the iranian leader simply by some alleged translated words about his opinions on homosexuality so harshly and think he should be bombed because of them. shouldnt you judge everyone by the same standards?

hows about john mccain 2008 , singing bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb iran?
Would that have justified america being attacked?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

no. israel has loads of nuclear bombs and has threatened in recent days to attack iran. iran has none and has not directly threatened to bomb israel. israles words and actions have been far more extreme already and they have the weaponry and the american support to create world war 3.

as for deciding some iranian leaders views of homosexuality is enough to warraqnt bombing a nation of 100 million people, thats frighteningly insane. im amazed you follow this far right wing brainwash agenda. you are aware the radical right do not give a stuff about gay peoples rights? not to mention health care and opportunity for the poor, sick and disabled?

if you judge the iranian leader simply by some alleged translated words about his opinions on homosexuality so harshly and think he should be bombed because of them. shouldnt you judge everyone by the same standards?

hows about john mccain 2008 , singing bomb bomb bomb bomb bomb iran?
Would that have justified america being attacked?

I never said anything about Israel using nukes on Iran, and i don't think anyone has, i don't think anyone thinks Israel would use nukes on Iran..

and i also never said anything about bombing Iran because of their government policy of murdering homosexuals/. You are making things up.

You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills.

you havn't responded directly to anything i've said, and instead you'd just gone on these paragraph long rants about how everyone is out to get iran, and rich people have a conspiracy, blah blah, nothing at ALL to do with anything i've said.

You have very poor communication skills.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

I never said anything about Israel using nukes on Iran, and i don't think anyone has, i don't think anyone thinks Israel would use nukes on Iran..

and i also never said anything about bombing Iran because of their government policy of murdering homosexuals/. You are making things up.

You really need to work on your reading comprehension.

do you support the israeli desire to attack iran?

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by the truth

do you support the israeli desire to attack iran?

define "attack"? I think Israel's current strategy of using cyber warfare(like stuxnet) to disrupt their nuclear facilities is warranted and appropriate. would i support a NUCLEAR BOMB attack on iran? of course not.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by lostalex

define "attack"? I think Israel's current strategy of using cyber warfare(like stuxnet) to disrupt their nuclear facilities is warranted and appropriate. would i support a NUCLEAR BOMB attack on iran? of course not.

thats right avoid the question. if you wont answer it, we have every right to presume you want israel to attack iran. the next question is why do you support this attack?