[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I thought that left brained/right brained men are from mars women from venus stuff had been debunked?
What job would women in all seriousness be excluded from due to all the physical and mental restrictions they have?...

It's not about being excluded and it's not about absolutes, you're finding offense where there's none implied.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yep, as females are genuinely (again, in general) better at multitasking, communication and social interaction than males. These aren't social constructs / anything to do with feminism or "patriarchy"... they are simple biological and neurological facts.

I wouldnt say they were just 'simple biological/neurological facts', sure how were wired up plays its part, but I think upbringing plays a definite role due to the social norms in place. It follows closely to girls being put in dresses and boys being made to play with action men and toy guns.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I thought that left brained/right brained men are from mars women from venus stuff had been debunked?
What job would women in all seriousness be excluded from due to all the physical and mental restrictions they have?...

Its not about exclusion or anything. Just generally, men have more strength than women. obviously there are exceptions to the rule though.

I kinda dislike these kind of topics as I don't taker the 'typical' view that men and women are actually exactly the same and completely equal. I disagree. manual labour is better for men as (again typically) they have more strength than women. And personally I think women are better at jobs such as nursing as they tend to be more...empathetic and caring.

I would probably rather have a male firefighter come to my house to carry me down the stairs and save me from a fire, then have a nice friendly female nurse to get me back to health, than the other way around..

Maybe I am sexist deep down. Maybe I was just brought up with old fashioned views...I don't know. But I have always thought some jobs are simply better for one gender or the other :S

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

here for the Truth exposing lazy women who want their cake and eat it (and probably eat another cake)

me

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Its not about exclusion or anything. Just generally, men have more strength than women. obviously there are exceptions to the rule though.

I kinda dislike these kind of topics as I don't taker the 'typical' view that men and women are actually exactly the same and completely equal. I disagree. manual labour is better for men as (again typically) they have more strength than women. And personally I think women are better at jobs such as nursing as they tend to be more...empathetic and caring.

I would probably rather have a male firefighter come to my house to carry me down the stairs and save me from a fire, then have a nice friendly female nurse to get me back to health, than the other way around..

Maybe I am sexist deep down. Maybe I was just brought up with old fashioned views...I don't know. But I have always thought some jobs are simply better for one gender or the other :S

I totally agree. Men and women are totally different and always will be. I understand arguments about equal pay and everything, but otherwise i don't think men and women will ever be equal. It's not realistic and we shouldnt try to make it realistic

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I totally agree. Men and women are totally different and always will be. I understand arguments about equal pay and everything, but otherwise i don't think men and women will ever be equal. It's not realistic and we shouldnt try to make it realistic

Of course both should be paid equally for the same job. Some seem to have taken it too far though and seem tow ant equal pay regardless of what job is done

Mind, this equal pay stuff was great for my dad. He worked in the prisons on the computers and was earning less than the people who actually worked with the prisoners. This whole equal pay malarky started and as my dad was the same 'grade' or something in his equivalent post,. he got his pay backdated for years to that of the people who work with the actual prisoners, came away with about 20k. Hope I explained that right

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Of course both should be paid equally for the same job. Some seem to have taken it too far though and seem tow ant equal pay regardless of what job is done

Mind, this equal pay stuff was great for my dad. He worked in the prisons on the computers and was earning less than the people who actually worked with the prisoners. This whole equal pay malarky started and as my dad was the same 'grade' or something in his equivalent post,. he got his pay backdated for years to that of the people who work with the actual prisoners, came away with about 20k. Hope I explained that right

In general, I think you should get paid for what you do and it doesn't really matter what anyone else gets paid, but if someone does the exact same job, with the exact same skills and they exact same amount of effort then yeah sure, why not have the same pay?

and LOL that's pretty amazing. Wish that would happen to me!!!

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Neh. Because "equality" doesn't mean, or have to mean, "exactly the same". Males are in general physically larger and stronger, have better spatial awareness, and are better wired for logical / technical thinking which makes males (in general) better suited to manual labour than females.

Agree. People will talk about 'social constructs' and all that but its largely been the same throughout history and across vastly different societies. Sometimes we should just accept that there are genuine biological differences between men and women.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

In general, I think you should get paid for what you do and it doesn't really matter what anyone else gets paid, but if someone does the exact same job, with the exact same skills and they exact same amount of effort then yeah sure, why not have the same pay?

and LOL that's pretty amazing. Wish that would happen to me!!!

I know...he had worked at the same place for like 20 years..So it would have only been like 1k a year difference which you wouldn't really tell. Great when it comes in a massive lump sum though.

He spent it on a trip to florida for all of us and his mam Hopefully he gets another backdated payrise soon as I really want to go back but I'm too broke

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Agree. People will talk about 'social constructs' and all that but its largely been the same throughout history and across vastly different societies. Sometimes we should just accept that there are genuine biological differences between men and women.

Its engraved in us, I reckon. Evolution...men were the hunter gatherer/physical types. Where women (when not being clubbed over the head and dragged into a bush to make more babies) looked after the babies.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not about being excluded and it's not about absolutes, you're finding offense where there's none implied.

I'm not offended, I was just wondering.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Agree. People will talk about 'social constructs' and all that but its largely been the same throughout history and across vastly different societies. Sometimes we should just accept that there are genuine biological differences between men and women.

What are they?l

[the truth]

but women don't even fix tv sets or washing machines...even the computers, no woman has ever fixed any of our computers? why? theyre ahead in all schools and across higher education? so what the heck is going on seriously? ask yourself individually, in your home how many things were ever fixed by female workers compared to men?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

but women don't even fix tv sets or washing machines...even the computers, no woman has ever fixed any of our computers? why? theyre ahead in all schools and across higher education? so what the heck is going on seriously? ask yourself individually, in your home how many things were ever fixed by female workers compared to men?

I always fix the computers in this house I will have you know

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I always fix the computers in this house I will have you know

that's great , I just cant understand why there aren't more money doing these things? ps can you fix mine pls , its a mess

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by the truth

that's great , I just cant understand why there aren't more money doing these things? ps can you fix mine pls , its a mess

Depends whats wrong with it

There is plenty of money in programming and stuff. 2 of the people in my dads office at the prison were women. Women also tend to do office clerk-y jobs more often than men, which require computer skills.

[Vicky.]

I will admit that I have no ****ing idea how to fix a washing machine. My solution is..buy a new one and give the crap men something to do

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by the truth

but women don't even fix tv sets or washing machines...even the computers, no woman has ever fixed any of our computers? why? theyre ahead in all schools and across higher education? so what the heck is going on seriously? ask yourself individually, in your home how many things were ever fixed by female workers compared to men?

Woman use their brains rather than their hands ...simples

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Woman use their brains rather than their hands ...simples

good one, though
it takes brains to fix machines and TV's too

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by the truth

good one, though
it takes brains to fix machines and TV's too

I think you can be trained for repair jobs !

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Its not about exclusion or anything. Just generally, men have more strength than women. obviously there are exceptions to the rule though.

I kinda dislike these kind of topics as I don't taker the 'typical' view that men and women are actually exactly the same and completely equal. I disagree. manual labour is better for men as (again typically) they have more strength than women. And personally I think women are better at jobs such as nursing as they tend to be more...empathetic and caring.

I would probably rather have a male firefighter come to my house to carry me down the stairs and save me from a fire, then have a nice friendly female nurse to get me back to health, than the other way around..

Maybe I am sexist deep down. Maybe I was just brought up with old fashioned views...I don't know. But I have always thought some jobs are simply better for one gender or the other :S

I know this isn't a very popular opinion, but I agree Vicky.

[Kizzy]

The OP referred to tiling, plumbing and drainage engineers, why must you have guns like popeye to do those jobs?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

Oh so blame men for female laziness....we have also taken fathers away from children in nearly50% of families, so what do the liberals expect? women should stop talking themselves up, take off their fake nails and fake eyelashes and get practical and learn these skills. stop over relying on hard working men they say they don't need and certainly don't like or respect

Who hurt you?

[T*]

Why are attitudes like this allowed on the forum?

[smudgie]

Hubby can turn his hand to fixing the washing machine at a push..maybe about 6/7 times in 38 years...but it took him the full 38 years to learn how to actually use the chuffing thing,.
Son is an electrical engineer, designs industrial washers amongst other things, I kid you not, it has taken him years to learn the difference between the washer and the tumbler..go figure