[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If you would stop posting such tripe I wouldn't have to .

Most of the people here, I either tend to agree with or at least find their responses to be moderate / reasonable (therefore a bit vanilla), OR... frankly... with nothing of any merit in them more than worth a quick skim read.

Beyond that, I quote and disagree with LT just as much and Kirk (may he rest in peace) significantly more but no one had anything to say about that. However I will stop quoting you. Don't want to be accused of picking on the girls

Its called ganging up TS and we don't want any of that

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Its called ganging up TS and we don't want any of that

One male against several females is still ganging up because we have bigger brains I'm afraid .

...or let's face it... one TS against any number of people ends up being misconstrued as ganging up, because the human brain can't comprehend such overwhelming force from one individual.



Poor Livia . Thank goodness Ammi is around, otherwise I might not have realised and this injustice would just have continued unchecked.

[Ammi]

..I think that the balancing of the seesaw also represents a 'balancing out' that is trying to be achieved..(through voting ..)..because of how the media has often stereotyped and even 'demonised' ethnic communities and ethnic citizens....hmmm, maybe it's not so much about the poster itself but more the discussions that will be had and are being had through it's controversy and interpretations..that those themselves will be more what will spark more votes from ethnic minorities, who may not have intended to vote...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

If you would stop posting such tripe I wouldn't have to .

Most of the people here, I either tend to agree with or at least find their responses to be moderate / reasonable (therefore a bit vanilla), OR... frankly... with nothing of any merit in them more than worth a quick skim read.

Beyond that, I quote and disagree with LT just as much and Kirk (may he rest in peace) significantly more but no one had anything to say about that. However I will stop quoting you. Don't want to be accused of picking on the girls

Quote me, talk to me... but stop talking to me like I'm a fourteen year old with special educational needs. Then everything will be lovely.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Quote me, talk to me... but stop talking to me like I'm a fourteen year old with special educational needs. Then everything will be lovely.

I don't think you know what you're asking of me

[DemolitionRed]

I think its interesting that some people can’t work out what this poster is telling us. The level seesaw is the biggest clue because it represents equality…every vote carries equal weight.

The only reason Nigel Farage is so upset by this poster is because its clever enough to bring ethnic minorities out of their houses and vote to remain in. Whilst we all have a right to be offended, one has to admit that this very controversial advert has a real touch of genius.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I think its interesting that some people can’t work out what this poster is telling us. The level seesaw is the biggest clue because it represents equality…every vote carries equal weight.

The only reason Nigel Farage is so upset by this poster is because its clever enough to bring ethnic minorities out of their houses and vote to remain in. Whilst we all have a right to be offended, one has to admit that this very controversial advert has a real touch of genius.

I agree DR - as over-the top and inflamatory as the poster is, if it encourages a higher voter turnout... and especially a higher turnout for under-respresented groups in voting... then a few feathers being ruffled is probably worth it.

I wouldn't go as far as to say "genius", perhaps, but then I'm skeptical about people in general and I don't think the vast majority of people are capable of computing subtleties. I guess you could say that there's a touch of genius in it's simplicity and lack of subtlety? Although apparently it's subtle enough that we're not supposed to notice that the man is a caricature of a neo-nazi, he might just some poor bald lad with his mum's name tattooed on his arm, peacefully showing off his new booties .

[_Tom_]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I think its interesting that some people can’t work out what this poster is telling us. The level seesaw is the biggest clue because it represents equality…every vote carries equal weight.

The only reason Nigel Farage is so upset by this poster is because its clever enough to bring ethnic minorities out of their houses and vote to remain in. Whilst we all have a right to be offended, one has to admit that this very controversial advert has a real touch of genius.

That's assuming that all ethnic minorities want to remain. People voting 'leave' come from all walks of life. More and more black and ethnic minority Brits are backing Brexit.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by _Tom_

That's assuming that all ethnic minorities want to remain. People voting 'leave' come from all walks of life. More and more black and ethnic minority Brits are backing Brexit.

Absolutely, especially those who are now citizens of the UK. People also assume that you have to be right wing to vote out. That's simply not the case.

[lostalex]

i think it's a good AD, it shows that muslims can be just as bigoted as skinheads, which is true.

[Kizzy]

I'm more offended that people think that all skinheads are far right, in my experience that's far from the truth and it's those who consider themselves respectable.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm more offended that people think that all skinheads are far right, in my experience that's far from the truth and it's those who consider themselves respectable.

i had a very good friend in high school that was a skinhead, and he was awesome. although he said some racist things, i certainly never saw him abuse any racial minorities. he was a great guy.

that being said he developed a bad alcohol problem and got into a physical fight with a cop and now he's in prison. but he's actually a really sweet guy, i knew him since we were in grade school.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

i had a very good friend in high school that was a skinhead, and he was awesome. although he said some racist things, i certainly never saw him abuse any racial minorities. he was a great guy.

that being said he developed a bad alcohol problem and got into a physical fight with a cop and now he's in prison. but he's actually a really sweet guy, i knew him since we were in grade school.

Exactly it's more a pop at nonconformists/youth/fashion, oh look at him... he looks odd/rough/chavvy/common/hard/poor he must be a racist thug!

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Exactly it's more a pop at nonconformists/youth/fashion, oh look at him... he looks odd/rough/chavvy/common/hard/poor he must be a racist thug!

yea, and i was out to him and he never had a problem with me being gay. he was just angry in general and at the system, but he treated all the people he knew really well, black, gay, whatever.

[rubymoo]

Maybe it would be more appropriate, (if the seesaw represents a balance) to have the white man in a suit just as placid as the Indian lady, rather than an angry white man pointing like he's going to take her head off!

Why is the white man in the picture? Britain is a diverse country, why not a muslim man, or a black man, all these people represent Britain, why an angry looking skinhead? This poster is biased and offensive on many levels, and neither the people represent me and i'm voting out, until we get away from the colour of someones skin there will always be racism. Why didn't they use a four way seesaw (i've seen them in playgrounds), and put people of different cultures on that, this would represent Britain.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

Maybe it would be more appropriate, (if the seesaw represents a balance) to have the white man in a suit just as placid as the Indian lady, rather than an angry white man pointing like he's going to take her head off!

Why is the white man in the picture? Britain is a diverse country, why not a muslim man, or a black man, all these people represent Britain, why an angry looking skinhead? This poster is biased and offensive on many levels, and neither the people represent me and i'm voting out, until we get away from the colour of someones skin there will always be racism. Why didn't they use a four way seesaw (i've seen them in playgrounds), and put people of different cultures on that, this would represent Britain.

or why not just make a poster that reminds people to vote and gives the date and pertinent information about voting. like use WORDS. communicate INFORMATION. why do they need to use any kind of giant pictures of people, use bigger words and give them the important information. period.

looks at the famous "keep calm carry on" posters... big letters, good words, communicate.

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by lostalex

or why not just make a poster that reminds people to vote and gives the date and pertinent information about voting. like use WORDS. communicate INFORMATION. why do they need to use any kind of giant pictures of people, use bigger words and give them the important information. period.

looks at the famous "keep calm carry on" posters... big letters, good words, communicate.

Exactly! It drives me bonkers with all these ridiculous images, but if they are to use images, then they should be fair and representative of the current situation.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by lostalex

or why not just make a poster that reminds people to vote and gives the date and pertinent information about voting. like use WORDS. communicate INFORMATION. why do they need to use any kind of giant pictures of people, use bigger words and give them the important information. period.

looks at the famous "keep calm carry on" posters... big letters, good words, communicate.

Yes that would make more sense than some visual metaphor that doesn't say anything yet offends everyone.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by lostalex

or why not just make a poster that reminds people to vote and gives the date and pertinent information about voting. like use WORDS. communicate INFORMATION. why do they need to use any kind of giant pictures of people, use bigger words and give them the important information. period.

looks at the famous "keep calm carry on" posters... big letters, good words, communicate.

Spot on lostalex, this is really the strongest point as to this issue.

[rubymoo]

Or maybe use a round-a-bout with different people from different backgrounds facing out?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Im here for the TS / Livia romance arc that has come out of this thread





(dont tell Nina tho)

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Im here for the TS / Livia romance arc that has come out of this thread

There's not enough love around here LT, you know that. You were PMing me about it recently

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There's not enough love around here LT, you know that. You were PMing me about it recently

[Crimson Dynamo]

or Mrs TS



(mind you she will be too busy texting men in the kitchen when TS is asleep)

[Northern Monkey]

Well i'm fine with it...

Aslong as

if somebody brings out a poster of a person with brown skin and what looks to be Asian ethnicity with a suicide belt strapped to them is not banned or seen as racist.Free speech and all that.

But...Why even have an Indian woman?Since the majority of EU citizens are white anyway and none of the out campaign are saying that 'immigrants are bad'.Infact the out campaign are saying that we should open up our borders to everyone,Wherever they are from.Just that we have control of the numbers.

A white man aggressively pointing at an Indian lady is an imflammatory racial stereotype no matter how the creators of this decide to try and explain it.They can say whatever they like to make it out to be anything they choose.But we all know what they are really trying to express here.
As said above.Lets not ban it.Let's have freedom of expression aslong as it is not one sided.