[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes it is disgraceful from The French, they couldn't even add up how buses were needed

Should it have been 100% their responsibility?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Should it have been 100% their responsibility?

It's on French soil so they will have control over logistics, I can't imagine them handing that over to the UK seeing as the camp residents are being bussed to various Areas in France. The UK are handling the movement of minors who have links to the UK but the French suspended that for 24 hours so they are in control

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It's on French soil so they will have control over logistics, I can't imagine them handing that over to the UK seeing as the camp residents are being bussed to various Areas in France. The UK are handling the movement of minors who have links to the UK but the French suspended that for 24 hours so they are in control

Our govt has been aware of the situation, the timescales involved and the dubs amendment.. they were, as always woefully ill prepared but what did we expect? #brexit

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It is extremely welcome to see vulnerable children who have been trapped in Calais reaching safe haven in the UK over the last week. But, as night falls in Calais tonight, we are deeply concerned for the fate of hundreds of children who remain and who do not know where they will sleep tonight and have no information on what tomorrow will bring.

It is unacceptable that the French operation to demolish the camp, which has been planned for weeks, now risks putting vulnerable children at greater risk.

Disgraceful.

I agree with this.Those kids should've been out well before the camp was dismantled.

[Kizzy]

Hundreds of refugee children are to be brought from Calais to Britain in the next three weeks but one in four councils in England, including Theresa May’s own, says they cannot take responsibility for them.

As the French clearance operation got under way at the Calais refugee camp, the home secretary told MPs that 800 children claiming family links with Britain have been interviewed by Home Office officials in the camp in the past week.

Amber Rudd said that almost 200 children have been brought to Britain in recent days, including 60 girls under the Dubs amendment, which is designed to protect vulnerable child refugees across Europe. But 38 councils out of 156 in England have so far refused to take part in resettling those who have arrived.

Shameful.

[Crimson Dynamo]

No links make your posts meaningless

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No links make your posts meaningless

Ok... they are updates from the link I have already posted on the thread but that's fine.

[Crimson Dynamo]

How does a 10 year old from Afghanistan get to calais with no parents?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

How does a 10 year old from Afghanistan get to calais with no parents?

With his Uncle Ahmed to look after him, who will of course, not reveal any relationship to the authorities.

Once in the UK, the child's parents back home have an automatic rights to come here under the 'family ties' rule.

Once they are here, their relatives back home have also the same rights.

etc etc. etc.

[Northern Monkey]

This crisis has reached crisis scenario because an awful lot of non refugees have paid people smugglers to bring them into Europe to try and get them into the UK.Its clear that the residents of The Jungle only travelled all the way through Europe to Calais to come to the UK.That's why it's there.The real regugees are stuck in refugee camps waiting for help while these economic migrants are slowing that whole process down.Also these adults posing as children are despicable when they know that there are actual children in there who are vulnerable.The real children need getting out of there and then our government needs to get on with helping the actual refugees in the real refugee camps.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This crisis has reached crisis scenario because an awful lot of non refugees have paid people smugglers to bring them into Europe to try and get them into the UK.Its clear that the residents of The Jungle only travelled all the way through Europe to Calais to come to the UK.That's why it's there.The real refugees are stuck in refugee camps waiting for help while these economic migrants are slowing that whole process down.Also these adults posing as children are despicable when they know that there are actual children in there who are vulnerable.The real children need getting out of there and then our government needs to get on with helping the actual refugees in the real refugee camps.

EXACTLY - Well said Paul.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This crisis has reached crisis scenario because an awful lot of non refugees have paid people smugglers to bring them into Europe to try and get them into the UK.Its clear that the residents of The Jungle only travelled all the way through Europe to Calais to come to the UK.That's why it's there.The real regugees are stuck in refugee camps waiting for help while these economic migrants are slowing that whole process down.Also these adults posing as children are despicable when they know that there are actual children in there who are vulnerable.The real children need getting out of there and then our government needs to get on with helping the actual refugees in the real refugee camps.

You know, I used to consider myself about as left as they come until recently. My opinions have changed on so many things I am doubting that now..this being one of them. I completely agree with the bolded part. It is shocking that those who have traveled through many safe countries to get here appear to be prioritized over those genuinely scared for their/their families lives.

I cannot agree that those posing as children are 'despicable' as honestly, humans do whatever they can to get the best for themselves. Its kind of in our nature.

However it is shocking that this has been allowed to happen when kids as young as 8 are alone there. But again, the question kind of comes, how the **** did 8 year olds manage to find their way to Calais alone?! However they got there I do think we should take them in, but those coming just for jobs/benefits/whatever need to go back and we can take in genuine refugees in their place. Our intake of refugees has been dire and must be improved..these are ****ing people and we cannot ignore them. However I cannot find it in me to get too annoyed about economic migrants having their makeshift illegal home taken from them. Refugees, of course we should help them. people posing as if they need help when they don't...no. I don't doubt these people think they could have a better life in the UK...but while thousands upon thousands actually need to be here to literally survive..people wanting in just for more money or whatever can get to the back of the line.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

You know, I used to consider myself about as left as they come until recently. My opinions have changed on so many things I am doubting that now..this being one of them. I completely agree with the bolded part. It is shocking that those who have traveled through many safe countries to get here appear to be prioritized over those genuinely scared for their/their families lives.

I cannot agree that those posing as children are 'despicable' as honestly, humans do whatever they can to get the best for themselves. Its kind of in our nature.

However it is shocking that this has been allowed to happen when kids as young as 8 are alone there. But again, the question kind of comes, how the **** did 8 year olds manage to find their way to Calais alone?! However they got there I do think we should take them in, but those coming just for jobs/benefits/whatever need to go back and we can take in genuine refugees in their place. Our intake of refugees has been dire and must be improved..these are ****ing people and we cannot ignore them. However I cannot find it in me to get too annoyed about economic migrants having their makeshift illegal home taken from them. Refugees, of course we should help them. people posing as if they need help when they don't...no. I don't doubt these people think they could have a better life in the UK...but while thousands upon thousands actually need to be here to literally survive..people wanting in just for more money or whatever can get to the back of the line.

Totally agree.We should be sending the message out to genuine refugees that the quickest route to the UK is in the refugee camps and that they WILL NOT get in jumping on the back of lorries or pretending to be children.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Totally agree.We should be sending the message out to genuine refugees that the quickest route to the UK is in the refugee camps and that they WILL NOT get in jumping on the back of lorries or pretending to be children.

So you want them to swim back to Syria and wait with the 5 million others?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So you want them to swim back to Syria and wait with the 5 million others?

I'd bet not a large percentage of those in that Jungle camp are from Syria

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So you want them to swim back to Syria and wait with the 5 million others?

Why should they be prioritized over the others who stayed put? Someone fit enough to swim across an ocean, if thats what happened, should not be priority over, for example, a four year old child.

Sorry maybe its true that I am getting desensitized, and maybe its wrong to disregard some for the sake of others...but we cannot take in everyone and I would rather take in those most in need. I find it hard to believe that a large amount of those camped out at the border are Syrian basically because if they were, they would be happy anywhere than is safe, rather than trying to get to one specific country

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So you want them to swim back to Syria and wait with the 5 million others?

In all the coverage of this farce I have not seen any Syrian migrants just Asian ones

[Crimson Dynamo]

Agreed Kirk, look at the idiotic tweet made by Gary Linekar

So lazy to just play the race card

[Kizzy]

'The greatest cry on here from certain quarters is the 'Media propaganda' and bias, in selectively editing news articles on the issue, to show the Calais immigrants in an unfavourable light, but NOTHING could be more poppycock.'

My opinion is great, but it is just that, my opinion, not that it's ever been backed up with facts or anything....


https://www.theguardian.com/media/gr...migrants-story

[arista]

Starting to pull it apart
and bin it all.


http://news.sky.com/story/demolition...rance-10631988

[arista]

[iloveaisleyne]

Sorry I probably sound really ignorant but
If they are in a safe country (France) why are they so intent on coming over here? Surely if you were on the risk of being killed in your country you'd be happy to be anywhere as long as it is safe?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by iloveaisleyne

Sorry I probably sound really ignorant but
If they are in a safe country (France) why are they so intent on coming over here? Surely if you were on the risk of being killed in your country you'd be happy to be anywhere as long as it is safe?

Hi,

You are WAY too logical for this place.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by iloveaisleyne

Sorry I probably sound really ignorant but
If they are in a safe country (France) why are they so intent on coming over here? Surely if you were on the risk of being killed in your country you'd be happy to be anywhere as long as it is safe?

Not ignorant.This is the point that me and a few others also make quite regularly.
It's like banging your head off a brick wall

[Vicky.]

With the stats you posted though, Germany really has put us to shame over all of this. 800k...and we take in a thousand or so :S