[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And who is to blame for the conditions in the detention centres?

When did it become a UK issue what conditions there are in FRENCH immigration centres. Its none of our business. I repeat again, immigrants to France have always had the option to go to the available immigration centres in France, it was their choice, and theirs alone to rough it at an illegal camp.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Nobody... nobody is organising anything that is the whole issue, where have you got the idea there are no children, have you seen the news today?

I'm pointing out the fact that they brought over young men whose age was clearly suspect while leaving kids as young as 8 behind, the youngest should have been prioritised and then the rest





Last week, the home secretary, Amber Rudd, told MPs the French authorities had agreed to verify a list of 387 child refugees with a legal right to come to the UK drawn up by Citizens UK. “Once we have that official list we will move quickly within days and remove very quickly those children,” she said.

Earlier on Monday, Rowan Williams said the safety of up to 400 unaccompanied children stranded in the Calais refugee camp was being put at risk by the government’s “foot-dragging”. The former archbishop of Canterbury said the time was short for the remainder because of the imminent dismantling of the site.


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He described the refugee children as “extraordinarily vulnerable” who were trapped in the “chaos of the camp and the chaos of the demolition”. Williams called on the government to expedite the cases of up to 400 children remaining in Calais. “I’m not sure why there is such foot-dragging,” he said at Croydon Minster. “The clock is ticking, the likelihood is the Calais camp will be demolished in the next 10 days.”

The Home Office said the group of 14 who arrived on Monday were among about 100 to be resettled in the UK. They came from countries including Syria, Afghanistan and Kuwait’s stateless Bidoon community. The department confirmed that the children, aged 14-17, were transferred on Monday morning. They will be assessed and screened and may be cared for in specialist accommodation before being reunited with their relatives.

However, Tina Brocklebank, a volunteer who has been conducting refugee counts with the charity L’Auberge des Migrants, said the most vulnerable children in Calais could miss out on being helped amid what she called a confusing census carried out by another charity, France Terre d’Asile
She said: “FTDA registered a very small number of children on Friday and then shut the gate and told everyone to come back on Monday. It’s a despicable way to build up hopes, withhold and keep changing information and confuse everybody. We are concerned that buses may at some point arrive for the children, and the ypushy ones will get on while the most vulnerable ones will still be hiding in their shelters and tents – either because they don’t know what’s going on or will be too scared to get on a bus.”

The French interior minister has warned of a damaging blame game between his country and the UK over the Calais refugee crisis, with accusations of selfishness and inhumanity preventing action being taken to support vulnerable individuals.

Writing in the Guardian, Bernard Cazeneuve said there had been a litany of misunderstandings between the two countries but added that there was now an urgent need for a common outlook to tackle a situation “everyone agrees is a disaster”.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

When did it become a UK issue what conditions there are in FRENCH immigration centres. Its none of our business. I repeat again, immigrants to France have always had the option to go to the available immigration centres in France, it was their choice, and theirs alone to rough it at an illegal camp.

And the reason it's there is that they could jump a lorry and get into England illegally

I mean you couldn't make it up

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

What are u quoting?

The live link I posted this morning.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

When did it become a UK issue what conditions there are in FRENCH immigration centres. Its none of our business. I repeat again, immigrants to France have always had the option to go to the available immigration centres in France, it was their choice, and theirs alone to rough it at an illegal camp.

I didn't say it was our issue, it may be a contributory factor to them not wanting to go there, stay in France or carry on their journey to the UK however.

[arista]

the Bulldozing starts tomorrow

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I'm pointing out the fact that they brought over young men whose age was clearly suspect while leaving kids as young as 8 behind, the youngest should have been prioritised and then the rest





Last week, the home secretary, Amber Rudd, told MPs the French authorities had agreed to verify a list of 387 child refugees with a legal right to come to the UK drawn up by Citizens UK. “Once we have that official list we will move quickly within days and remove very quickly those children,” she said.

Earlier on Monday, Rowan Williams said the safety of up to 400 unaccompanied children stranded in the Calais refugee camp was being put at risk by the government’s “foot-dragging”. The former archbishop of Canterbury said the time was short for the remainder because of the imminent dismantling of the site.


Charity takes legal action against Home Office over child refugees
Read more
He described the refugee children as “extraordinarily vulnerable” who were trapped in the “chaos of the camp and the chaos of the demolition”. Williams called on the government to expedite the cases of up to 400 children remaining in Calais. “I’m not sure why there is such foot-dragging,” he said at Croydon Minster. “The clock is ticking, the likelihood is the Calais camp will be demolished in the next 10 days.”

The Home Office said the group of 14 who arrived on Monday were among about 100 to be resettled in the UK. They came from countries including Syria, Afghanistan and Kuwait’s stateless Bidoon community. The department confirmed that the children, aged 14-17, were transferred on Monday morning. They will be assessed and screened and may be cared for in specialist accommodation before being reunited with their relatives.

However, Tina Brocklebank, a volunteer who has been conducting refugee counts with the charity L’Auberge des Migrants, said the most vulnerable children in Calais could miss out on being helped amid what she called a confusing census carried out by another charity, France Terre d’Asile
She said: “FTDA registered a very small number of children on Friday and then shut the gate and told everyone to come back on Monday. It’s a despicable way to build up hopes, withhold and keep changing information and confuse everybody. We are concerned that buses may at some point arrive for the children, and the ypushy ones will get on while the most vulnerable ones will still be hiding in their shelters and tents – either because they don’t know what’s going on or will be too scared to get on a bus.”

The French interior minister has warned of a damaging blame game between his country and the UK over the Calais refugee crisis, with accusations of selfishness and inhumanity preventing action being taken to support vulnerable individuals.

Writing in the Guardian, Bernard Cazeneuve said there had been a litany of misunderstandings between the two countries but added that there was now an urgent need for a common outlook to tackle a situation “everyone agrees is a disaster”.

The men photographed were said to be interpreters, buts lets focus on the narrative, how would you use this emotive issue to turn public support away from the plight of unaccompanied children in a desperate situation?... Easy, you use the media to question whether those coming are in fact children.
Once there has been a seed of doubt placed it festers in the minds of those so conditioned that they can no longer process what is real and what is manufactured to influence mass perception.

There is nothing and nowhere for these children, and both countries in this human ping pong disaster should hang their heads in shame.

[Northern Monkey]

Daily Politics earlier was reporting from The Jungle and alot of these migrants won't get on the busses to go and be processed because they don't want to leave Calais and go further into France and more importantly further away from the UK.The only reason they are in that camp in Calais is to try to get into Britain.If these were genuine refugees escaping a war zone France,Germany,Belgium,Holland or Turkey would be a more than good enough safe countries to claim asylum and live happily in.We should take those poor kids and home them here and then take only real refugees from the camps.It certainly looks like the majority of these men(which they all looked to be men) are economic migrants trying to get over here illegally.

[Johnnyuk123]

If anyone would like to help a refugee in crisis you can actually do something about it to help them by registering here...

https://paih.typeform.com/to/dl4g60?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Daily Politics earlier was reporting from The Jungle and alot of these migrants won't get on the busses to go and be processed because they don't want to leave Calais and go further into France and more importantly further away from the UK.The only reason they are in that camp in Calais is to try to get into Britain.If these were genuine refugees escaping a war zone France,Germany,Belgium,Holland or Turkey would be a more than good enough safe countries to claim asylum and live happily in.We should take those poor kids and home them here and then take only real refugees from the camps.It certainly looks like the majority of these men(which they all looked to be men) are economic migrants trying to get over here illegally.

Really, odd because all the pics and video I've seen is of orderly queues...

Do you have a link to the report?

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Really, odd because all the pics and video I've seen is of orderly queues...

Do you have a link to the report?

Watch todays Daily Politics.It said many of them wouldn't get on the busses because it would take them further into France and further away "from there dream of coming to the UK"

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Watch todays Daily Politics.It said many of them wouldn't get on the busses because it would take them further into France and further away "from there dream of coming to the UK"

I've already posted a quote from a guy saying more or less the same thing... The fallacy is that they will be treated better here with respect... we both know that's not going to happen, they obviously don't.

'They want to come here for benefits or blow us up...blah blah infinitum'.

[bots]

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The men photographed were said to be interpreters, buts lets focus on the narrative, how would you use this emotive issue to turn public support away from the plight of unaccompanied children in a desperate situation?... Easy, you use the media to question whether those coming are in fact children.
Once there has been a seed of doubt placed it festers in the minds of those so conditioned that they can no longer process what is real and what is manufactured to influence mass perception.

There is nothing and nowhere for these children, and both countries in this human ping pong disaster should hang their heads in shame.

‘Mature’ migrant is not translator, says Home Office
Richard Ford, Home Correspondent
October 20 2016, 12:00pm,
The Times

Concerns were voiced over the age of this newly arrived “child migrant” but the Home Office said some may look older because they had fled war zones
PETER MACDIARMID/LONDON NEWS PICTURES
A mature-looking male pictured arriving in Britain from the Jungle camp in Calais is a teenage migrant and not an adult translator, the Home Office has confirmed.

It had been suggested that he was an interpreter travelling with unaccompanied child asylum seekers.

Officials confirmed this was not the case but refused to comment on his status.

Whitehall sources told The Times that the man was one of a group of child migrants said to be aged 14 to 18 who were brought over from Calais this week.

The picture of him arriving at the Home Office’s Lunar House in Croydon…



My thought processes are fine, what I want it know is why that age group were prioritised over younger children

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

‘Mature’ migrant is not translator, says Home Office
Richard Ford, Home Correspondent
October 20 2016, 12:00pm,
The Times

Concerns were voiced over the age of this newly arrived “child migrant” but the Home Office said some may look older because they had fled war zones
PETER MACDIARMID/LONDON NEWS PICTURES
A mature-looking male pictured arriving in Britain from the Jungle camp in Calais is a teenage migrant and not an adult translator, the Home Office has confirmed.

It had been suggested that he was an interpreter travelling with unaccompanied child asylum seekers.

Officials confirmed this was not the case but refused to comment on his status.

Whitehall sources told The Times that the man was one of a group of child migrants said to be aged 14 to 18 who were brought over from Calais this week.

The picture of him arriving at the Home Office’s Lunar House in Croydon…



My thought processes are fine, what I want it know is why that age group were prioritised over younger children

This is the crux of my point, I am suggesting that this subterfuge and the choice of refugee/unknown origin immigrant has been structured with a divisive intent to create uncertainty, confusion and doubt in the minds of the public against child refugees.

Case in point, who are these children, are these even children?
Massive media coverage to disguise the fact that many unaccompanied children have not been processed as agreed.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Ah British humour, when in doubt, mock.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

[Kizzy]

It is extremely welcome to see vulnerable children who have been trapped in Calais reaching safe haven in the UK over the last week. But, as night falls in Calais tonight, we are deeply concerned for the fate of hundreds of children who remain and who do not know where they will sleep tonight and have no information on what tomorrow will bring.

It is unacceptable that the French operation to demolish the camp, which has been planned for weeks, now risks putting vulnerable children at greater risk.

Disgraceful.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It is extremely welcome to see vulnerable children who have been trapped in Calais reaching safe haven in the UK over the last week. But, as night falls in Calais tonight, we are deeply concerned for the fate of hundreds of children who remain and who do not know where they will sleep tonight and have no information on what tomorrow will bring.

It is unacceptable that the French operation to demolish the camp, which has been planned for weeks, now risks putting vulnerable children at greater risk.

Disgraceful.

Yes it is disgraceful from The French, they couldn't even add up how buses were needed

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

This is the crux of my point, I am suggesting that this subterfuge and the choice of refugee/unknown origin immigrant has been structured with a divisive intent to create uncertainty, confusion and doubt in the minds of the public against child refugees.

Case in point, who are these children, are these even children?
Massive media coverage to disguise the fact that many unaccompanied children have not been processed as agreed.

I haven't seen or heard anyone on this forum or outside it have any problem with unaccompanied minors being taken in, the crux really is that they are being left behind and the number agreed in is bring filled up by older refugees as the people processing take the easy route and fill the places available with anyone who vaguely fits the term refugee

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

BRILLIANT. Wet meself.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

This is the crux of my point, I am suggesting that this subterfuge and the choice of refugee/unknown origin immigrant has been structured with a divisive intent to create uncertainty, confusion and doubt in the minds of the public against child refugees.
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Case in point, who are these children, are these even children?
Massive media coverage to disguise the fact that many unaccompanied children have not been processed as agreed.

Shouldn't we be questioning JUST WHY children as young as 8 ARE 'unaccompanied'? As well as JUST HOW they managed to travel many hundreds of miles through strange and foreign countries to get to Calais?

Shouldn't we be examining whether this is yet another 'ploy' by economic migrants who are so desperate to secure entry into the UK they simply hand their children over to uncle Ahmed to take them with him on his long trek to Calais, knowing that we British WILL eventually take in the children, thereby setting a legal precedence for them to later be also allowed entry because of 'family ties'. (Uncle Ahmed will obviously have to keep 'Stum' about his relationship though for this to be viable)

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah British humour, when in doubt, mock.

I don't think that ANY of us are in ANY doubt that a lot of these 'children' ARE in fact NOT children, so what doubt are you referring to?

Incidentally, MOST jokes and humour are based on misfortune or tragic occurrences.

No one is mocking any genuine refugees - only the ludicrousness of a totally incredible, unbelievable, situation where some 'WET' bleedin' heart UK 'official bodies' are EXPECTING us to SWALLOW the B.S. that some of these '30 somethings' are 'children'.

If they are children they must have been birthed at 17 years of age.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

‘Mature’ migrant is not translator, says Home Office
Richard Ford, Home Correspondent
October 20 2016, 12:00pm,
The Times

Concerns were voiced over the age of this newly arrived “child migrant” but the Home Office said some may look older because they had fled war zones
PETER MACDIARMID/LONDON NEWS PICTURES
A mature-looking male pictured arriving in Britain from the Jungle camp in Calais is a teenage migrant and not an adult translator, the Home Office has confirmed.

It had been suggested that he was an interpreter travelling with unaccompanied child asylum seekers.

Officials confirmed this was not the case but refused to comment on his status.

Whitehall sources told The Times that the man was one of a group of child migrants said to be aged 14 to 18 who were brought over from Calais this week.

The picture of him arriving at the Home Office’s Lunar House in Croydon…



My thought processes are fine, what I want it know is why that age group were prioritised over younger children

Sorry Cherie - here comes some more of those 'overworked clap emoticons'.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes it is disgraceful from The French, they couldn't even add up how buses were needed

Should it have been 100% their responsibility?