[Glenn-C]

Oh yes. Imagine that. Boys wearing dresses. What has society become?

[Marsh.]

Ken doll?

He's more a Barbie imo.

[thesheriff443]

On a side note, did any one see the picture of Lewis hamalton with his nephew in a princess dress that he brought him, clearly a pr stunt to try and dig himself out of the hole.

In London teenagers are killing one another for being in the wrong post code, argue all you want but it's not safe to be walking in some places all over country.

[Ammi]

..yeah I do totally agree, Sheriff...but I think what Shane J is trying to convey is...do we stick with that ‘not safe’ and say..ok, well that’s as far as it can go and that’s that of that, type thing...or do we look to and hope to progress to it becoming more safe in terms of acceptances.../...those places we haven’t reached yet ....he wants to look at those safer places of acceptance for little 14yr old Johnny of being able to openly say...I want to be a drag queen when I’m older and feel the same safety as if it had been any other form of entertainment, like an actor, a dancer, a musician etc...to break down any prejudices that might create a place of less safety as there still is in some cases and places right now in time...obviously being safe right here and right now for little Johnny is of absolute importance to all of us...but I also think that ShaneJ’s soapbox is essential as well...

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah I do totally agree, Sheriff...but I think what Shane J is trying to convey is...do we stick with that ‘not safe’ and say..ok, well that’s as far as it can go and that’s that of that, type thing...or do we look to and hope to progress to it becoming more safe in terms of acceptances.../...those places we haven’t reached yet ....he wants to look at those safer places of acceptance for little 14yr old Johnny of being able to openly say...I want to be a drag queen when I’m older and feel the same safety as if it had been any other form of entertainment, like an actor, a dancer, a musician etc...to break down any prejudices that might create a place of less safety as there still is in some cases and places right now in time...obviously being safe right here and right now for little Johnny is of absolute importance to all of us...but I also think that ShaneJ’s soapbox is essential as well...

I agree ammi, every one should be able to live in society as they choose but in reality it's not safe to do that in this country for the most part and that's not going to change for a long time sadly

We have no where near got to grips with the issues of racism and sexism, but gay marriages being made legal was a big step in accepting the gay comunity.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

On a side note, did any one see the picture of Lewis hamalton with his nephew in a princess dress that he brought him, clearly a pr stunt to try and dig himself out of the hole.

In London teenagers are killing one another for being in the wrong post code, argue all you want but it's not safe to be walking in some places all over country.

yes it was a pathetic stunt

[Oliver_W]

Meh, I don't like ShaneJ but I see his point.

As cringey as this is gonna sound - sometimes, young LGBT people need to be told "you're okay kid"

[Alf]

Saint Shane J

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think most people can see that there is a middle ground between monotonous monologues on the same sanctimonious subjects night after night and scissoring on the floor grunting

[bots]

what people seem to miss is that kids in their peer group take very little notice of their parents or teachers. If they want to make fun of little jonny for whatever reason, they will. They are not bound by rules surrounding appropriate behaviour. Kids that don't conform in whatever aspect will be made fun of or will be bullied. That won't change

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what people seem to miss is that kids in their peer group take very little notice of their parents or teachers. If they want to make fun of little jonny for whatever reason, they will. They are not bound by rules surrounding appropriate behaviour. Kids that don't conform in whatever aspect will be made fun of or will be bullied. That won't change

I wonder how many young Tibbers are crying into their soup over Ann Widdicombes views, the over reactions are laughable

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

what people seem to miss is that kids in their peer group take very little notice of their parents or teachers. If they want to make fun of little jonny for whatever reason, they will. They are not bound by rules surrounding appropriate behaviour. Kids that don't conform in whatever aspect will be made fun of or will be bullied. That won't change

I think the idea is to make Little Johnny feel okay about himself, rather than stopping Patrick and Muhammed from bullying him

[poppsywoppsy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I think the idea is to make Little Johnny feel okay about himself, rather than stopping Patrick and Muhammed from bullying him

Yes, you are right but you do not tell Johnny it is OK without being responsible for anything what might happen if he does.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Yes, you are right but you do not tell Johnny it is OK without being responsible for anything what might happen if he does.

Why should a person be responsible for the actions of a bully? That's silly.

Do women that go out in revealing clothes have to take some of the responsibility if they are attacked? Why blame the victim when it's another person's actions that are the problem?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy

Yes, you are right but you do not tell Johnny it is OK without being responsible for anything what might happen if he does.

Well, maybe.

When I was younger, the most "inspirational" (for want of better word) LGBT character for me was Maxxie from Skins. He just another character, treated like anyone else. He didn't need to be alll OOHH I'M LGBTQWERTYGENDERQUEERVEGAN because that stuff doesn't matter

[chuff me dizzy]

Silly Bollox has surely put people off coming out, they must think "Jesus will I end up as bitter and twisted as him if someone doesn't agree with all I say ?" and end up locked in the closet forever !

He doing himself no favours by claiming to be in there for every gay in the world, when everyone knows he's in there for HIMSELF and is using gay people to get what he wants

[Alf]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Silly Bollox has surely put people off coming out, they must think "Jesus will I end up as bitter and twisted as him if someone doesn't agree with all I say ?" and end up locked in the closet forever !

He doing himself no favours by claiming to be in there for every gay in the world, when everyone knows he's in there for HIMSELF and is using gay people to get what he wants

A new wardrobe.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

A new wardrobe.

Something a bit more classy I hope Alf ... As soon as the show is over ( Well after he's taken Andrew to Travelodge and given him what he's after ) he will go to Heathrow and piss off back where he came from and not give a single thought to all the UK mugs who believe the new Saviour is here for them and their "cause" (Do straight people have a cause Alf or do we just get on with our lives ?)

[Crimson Dynamo]

I expect if he wins he wont be brave enough to be himself but instead he will put on his costume and be someone who he wishes he was

I dont think this alter ego thing is very healthy at all and as for getting a partner i doubt he will have any luck until he begins to love himself as shane

[Marches]

I think Shane j might genuinly have bipolar hence the need to dress up in drag

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Marches

I think Shane j might genuinly have bipolar hence the need to dress up in drag

Or is just a bloody weirdo with ideas above his station

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Or is just a bloody weirdo with ideas above his station

A 'weirdo'? Says it all really.

[thesheriff443]

He can't have my sheriffs badge

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

He can't have my sheriffs badge

[caprimint]

Shane/Courtney is sending the message that it's okay to do it. Do you think it's not?