[Kazanne]

I don't think it's fair to blame Trump for these shootings, but I can see its nectar to his haters, the problem lies much deeper than him, how about blaming the person who purchased that gun, and chose to kill people, there will always be people with a warped mindset, Trump has said he will do something so hopefully he will do something about gun control,but it won't be easy as America has always had a gun problem,

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't think it's fair to blame Trump for these shootings, but I can see its nectar to his haters, the problem lies much deeper than him, how about blaming the person who purchased that gun, and chose to kill people, there will always be people with a warped mindset, Trump has said he will do something so hopefully he will do something about gun control,but it won't be easy as America has always had a gun problem,

When random uncontrollable things occur people like to blame something as it gives them a sense of control. Some odious democrats are using this tragedy to score futile political points. Its sad but somewhat inevitable.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

When random uncontrollable things occur people like to blame something as it gives them a sense of control. Some odious democrats are using this tragedy to score futile political points. Its sad but somewhat inevitable.

That's true LT, take Trump 'smiling' for example it can be seen as his natural look of his face ,he seems to me to always have that smile,or it can be spun as something more sinister as people don't like him,not everything is black and white, there are people that I don't like,do I go out and shoot them? no,it's just the mindset of rare individuals,lets hope Trump will deal with it as he has said,gun control might be a good start

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

That's true LT, take Trump 'smiling' for example it can be seen as his natural look of his face ,he seems to me to always have that smile,or it can be spun as something more sinister as people don't like him,not everything is black and white, there are people that I don't like,do I go out and shoot them? no,it's just the mindset of rare individuals,lets hope Trump will deal with it as he has said,gun control might be a good start

yes putting the guns out of those trump supporter hands would be a good start

cause it's too coincidental the victims of this Texas shooting being mexicans, Trump and his loyal support hating mexicans

but knowing Trump he won't do such thing

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yes putting the guns out of those trump supporter hands would be a good start

cause it's too coincidental the victims of this Texas shooting being mexicans, Trump and his loyal support hating mexicans

but knowing Trump he won't do such thing

WHat if most Americans dont want to give up their guns tho Nicky. Mind you he could at least start by getting rid of Assault Rifles

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yes putting the guns out of those trump supporter hands would be a good start

cause it's too coincidental the victims of this Texas shooting being mexicans, Trump and his loyal support hating mexicans

but knowing Trump he won't do such thing

You don't know Trump he might surprise you

[Ammi]

...he actually refers to the reason why he’s smiling...’only in the panhandle can you get away with that statement’...he finds the comment and his joke in response so amusing, he repeats it...just in case those in the back didn’t hear him...I mean really, there is somewhere in the USA where saying ‘shoot them’ is acceptable..because that’s apparently so according to the rule book of the USA president...as he accidentally smiles at how amusing it all is, the prejudice aligning itself to his words...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

When random uncontrollable things occur people like to blame something as it gives them a sense of control. Some odious democrats are using this tragedy to score futile political points. Its sad but somewhat inevitable.

OR. ... they are pointing out the very real risk posed when there is someone high profile making light of someone shouting 'shoot them' at a rally.

These shootings are not random, they are planned targetted terrorist attacks.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

OR. ... they are pointing out the very real risk posed when there is someone high profile making light of someone shouting 'shoot them' at a rally.

These shootings are not random, they are planned targetted terrorist attacks.

correct, and didn't this killer here in Texas say he sympathizes with that one shooter from Christchurch

so it's also a planned hate crime then, since specifically targets are mexicans in this shooting

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

OR. ... they are pointing out the very real risk posed when there is someone high profile making light of someone shouting 'shoot them' at a rally.

These shootings are not random, they are planned targetted terrorist attacks.

this guy got suspended from school for putting up a hit list of girls he wanted to kill. Trump has nothing to do with this lone nut job.

[bots]

If mass shootings had started happening when Trump came to power, some connection could be drawn, but as much as people want to blame Trump (and I don't like the guy) mass shootings have been happening for decades. There have been over 200 mass shootings in America this year. It's in single digits, the number that are directed at mexicans. You need to look at the spread of events and the targets over all .... and the simple fact is there are too many other things involved to pin the blame on Trump.

The other mass shooting that happened at the night club, the guy shot his sister. I mean, please tell me how that can be blamed on Trump

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

this guy got suspended from school for putting up a hit list of girls he wanted to kill. Trump has nothing to do with this lone nut job.

Well his attention was switched to the 'invasion of Hispanics in Texas' as described in his 8chan explanation of his intention, what could have caused that switch?...


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-possible-hate

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

this guy got suspended from school for putting up a hit list of girls he wanted to kill. Trump has nothing to do with this lone nut job.

I'm so tired of people enabling terrorism by refusing to call it what it is. The guy is a terrorist, every right wing extremist that picks up a gun and shoots people for his ideals is a terrorist. His previous vile actions do not change the fact that he is a terrorist and he committed mass murder to create terror.

Trump has, time and time again, used extreme language and rhetoric and you only have to watch videos of the crowds at his events to see the effect that his words have on racists and extreme elements. It empowers them, it makes them feel validated. He is a leader and one with a cult-like following, when he tells people that mexican immigrants are racists, when he makes them out to be vermin or that the media is the enemy (not long after which, a US news channel was attacked btw), when he doubles down on racist attitudes and responds to criticism by hosting more rallies to incense his followers further he is telling them that their hatred is okay, they are taking his words as a call to action, as permission to commit atrocities.

Every other president and world leader as a whole knows to consider their words carefully, most leaders won't speak unless they know exactly what they are going to say and Trump is proof of why. A leader's words can inspire people to kill when they speak carelessly.

[DouglasS]

Ah my brother and his wife live not far from there at all

[Ammi]

..it’s absolutely fair to be terrified that the leader of the free world’s action and reaction is to smile and joke when someone calls out...’shoot them’....he cannot endorse such prejudice and remain blameless...

[Kizzy]

Great posts Ammi, nobody is suggesting that trumps finger was on the trigger obviously. But theres something to be said about his use of language, the scapegoating, the pointed rhetoric that play right to people who commit these acts ...it's fuel for the fire of a warped mindset.
Provocative language as we've heard from trump absolutely causes a reaction in those malcontents.
To critique his actions as supposed leader of the free world is perfectly valid.
The NRA is very powerful Trump has had opportunity to issue controls due to previous shootings, if he does anything about these I will be very surprised.

[Liam-]

Nobody is blaming Trump for all mass shootings, that would be ridiculous, but when a manifesto of a far-right nut job comes out where he uses some of the exact phrases that Trump has used at rallies, then you have to admit that there’s a damaging, unavoidable link there, the President of the United States is purposely using rhetoric to stir up his base, which without question has a lot of racists in it and some of his rhetoric is getting through to people that will run with it to justify their lunacy and their actions, whether it be assault, general bigotry or mass murder, it’s a definite problem

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Nobody is blaming Trump for all mass shootings, that would be ridiculous, but when a manifesto of a far-right nut job comes out where he uses some of the exact phrases that Trump has used at rallies, then you have to admit that there’s a damaging, unavoidable link there, the President of the United States is purposely using rhetoric to stir up his base, which without question has a lot of racists in it and some of his rhetoric is getting through to people that will run without to justify their lunacy, it’s a definite problem

...Sadie Kahn can’t control his Londonstan and is ‘creating a terror state’...apparently and allegedly, with no incite full language being used...meanwhile back in America, mental illness is the cause so all incite full language is acceptable ../...excusable or overlook-able...

[bots]

The American constitution is directly responsible for enabling mass shooters. If the right to bear arms were not written in to the constitution, then people would not be able to do the shootings. No president from whatever political side has shown any intention of fixing that.

[Ammi]

...there is a vast chasm between ‘contributing to’ and ‘being able to prevent’...I don’t recall a president who has used condoning language of prejudice in the way the current President does...and that cannot and should not be overlooked or pushed aside....

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...there is a vast chasm between ‘contributing to’ and ‘being able to prevent’...I don’t recall a president who has used condoning language of prejudice in the way the current President does...and that cannot and should not be overlooked or pushed aside....

i wouldn't dispute that, but some politician saying something does not in itself turn someone into a killer. There isn't a direct link because someone has to want to go out and kill people to start with, and that person would equally likely start killing because someone didn't look at him right or was wearing the wrong shirt or whatever.

People want to pin responsibility on things when the person doing the killing was just looking for any old excuse to do what they had always wanted to do.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i wouldn't dispute that, but some politician saying something does not in itself turn someone into a killer. There isn't a direct link because someone has to want to go out and kill people to start with, and that person would equally likely start killing because someone didn't look at him right or was wearing the wrong shirt or whatever.

People want to pin responsibility on things when the person doing the killing was just looking for any old excuse to do what they had always wanted to do.

...we don’t know what ‘triggers’ though, do we...we don’t know if it’s an inevitability that would happen anyway, or not...and we definitely don’t know whether it would be the same time../..the same place etc...or if there are factors...’influences’ that would dictate that...the trigger mechanism, as it were...maybe people go through their whole lives with the ‘potential to but not meeting the trigger’...?...who knows, we don’t for sure, bots...but what we do know and equally for sure...if the president did not show both irresponsibility and prejudice in his words then none of us would be having this conversation in terms of the provocative nature of too many of his ‘speeches’...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i wouldn't dispute that, but Some politician saying something does not in itself turn someone into a killer. There isn't a direct link because someone has to want to go out and kill people to start with, and that person would equally likely start killing because someone didn't look at him right or was wearing the wrong shirt or whatever.

People want to pin responsibility on things when the person doing the killing was just looking for any old excuse to do what they had always wanted to do.

So what is indoctrination about? What is incitement? ... what is radicalisation?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The American constitution is directly responsible for enabling mass shooters. If the right to bear arms were not written in to the constitution, then people would not be able to do the shootings. No president from whatever political side has shown any intention of fixing that.

Again, it’s not about amending the constitution, banning military grade weapons wouldn’t encroach on the 2nd amendment, neither would putting extensive gun control laws into place, Canada has a high number of guns, but very laws, training, full background checks, guns have to stay locked up when not in use and they’ve only had 12 mass shootings in about 15 years, gun control does work and it’s about time the GOP saw that

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Again, it’s not about amending the constitution, banning military grade weapons wouldn’t encroach on the 2nd amendment, neither would putting extensive gun control laws into place, Canada has a high number of guns, but very laws, training, full background checks, guns have to stay locked up when not in use and they’ve only had 12 mass shootings in about 15 years, gun control does work and it’s about time the GOP saw that

Great point Liam