[Ammi]

...there is a vast chasm between ‘contributing to’ and ‘being able to prevent’...I don’t recall a president who has used condoning language of prejudice in the way the current President does...and that cannot and should not be overlooked or pushed aside....

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...there is a vast chasm between ‘contributing to’ and ‘being able to prevent’...I don’t recall a president who has used condoning language of prejudice in the way the current President does...and that cannot and should not be overlooked or pushed aside....

i wouldn't dispute that, but some politician saying something does not in itself turn someone into a killer. There isn't a direct link because someone has to want to go out and kill people to start with, and that person would equally likely start killing because someone didn't look at him right or was wearing the wrong shirt or whatever.

People want to pin responsibility on things when the person doing the killing was just looking for any old excuse to do what they had always wanted to do.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i wouldn't dispute that, but some politician saying something does not in itself turn someone into a killer. There isn't a direct link because someone has to want to go out and kill people to start with, and that person would equally likely start killing because someone didn't look at him right or was wearing the wrong shirt or whatever.

People want to pin responsibility on things when the person doing the killing was just looking for any old excuse to do what they had always wanted to do.

...we don’t know what ‘triggers’ though, do we...we don’t know if it’s an inevitability that would happen anyway, or not...and we definitely don’t know whether it would be the same time../..the same place etc...or if there are factors...’influences’ that would dictate that...the trigger mechanism, as it were...maybe people go through their whole lives with the ‘potential to but not meeting the trigger’...?...who knows, we don’t for sure, bots...but what we do know and equally for sure...if the president did not show both irresponsibility and prejudice in his words then none of us would be having this conversation in terms of the provocative nature of too many of his ‘speeches’...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i wouldn't dispute that, but Some politician saying something does not in itself turn someone into a killer. There isn't a direct link because someone has to want to go out and kill people to start with, and that person would equally likely start killing because someone didn't look at him right or was wearing the wrong shirt or whatever.

People want to pin responsibility on things when the person doing the killing was just looking for any old excuse to do what they had always wanted to do.

So what is indoctrination about? What is incitement? ... what is radicalisation?