[Ammi]

...Jonathon Ross’ daughter, Honey...has spoken on Loose Women about the impact diet culture has on children...she said that as a teenager, her parents saw her as coming home from school and her suffering miserably and hating her body and hating herself...which isn’t an uncommon conversation that parents can have with their children...her mum and dad tried to give her suggestions on losing weight, which was diets...Honey feels that diets are ‘insane and toxic’ and don’t work...and her advice to parents now is ‘not to shame your children’ in the way that she felt ...anyways, those are all her words and this link has a vid to what she said...


...thoughts..?...


https://uk.style.yahoo.com/jonathan-...071200629.html

[The Slim Reaper]

They would have been worse parents if she came to them with this same problem and they just told her to love herself. I think if I was a parent in that situation, I would have done the same. Offer her the chance to change the things she doesn't like about herself.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

They would have been worse parents if she came to them with this same problem and they just told her to love herself. I think if I was a parent in that situation, I would have done the same. Offer her the chance to change the things she doesn't like about herself.

...that’s the thing, though...that’s why it’s interesting, I think...to see her perspective and even in reflection...?...because, as Honey said, it is a conversation that many parents have with their children...and there is no ‘faulting’ their parenting...but what they were saying and what she heard were not compatible at all and didn’t leave her feeling any less hating of herself....Honey as the receiving child to their parenting for this..?...found it insane and toxic...

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...that’s the thing, though...that’s why it’s interesting, I think...to see her perspective and even in reflection...?...because, as Honey said, it is a conversation that many parents have with their children...and there is no ‘faulting’ their parenting...but what they were saying and what she heard were not compatible at all and didn’t leave her feeling any less hating of herself....Honey as the receiving child to their parenting for this..?...found it insane and toxic...

If they were saying "oi fatty, fatty bum bum, stop eating lard for breakfast" then that would be shaming, but dieting and exercise obviously isn't for everyone, so it's easier to throw internal shame on to society, rather than just admitting she didn't want to do anything about it herself.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

If they were saying "oi fatty, fatty bum bum, stop eating lard for breakfast" then that would be shaming, but dieting and exercise obviously isn't for everyone, so it's easier to throw internal shame on to society, rather than just admitting she didn't want to do anything about it herself.

I mean............ in a nut shell really.

It's nothing to do with how you look, it's about health

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

If they were saying "oi fatty, fatty bum bum, stop eating lard for breakfast" then that would be shaming, but dieting and exercise obviously isn't for everyone, so it's easier to throw internal shame on to society, rather than just admitting she didn't want to do anything about it herself.

....hmmmm, she was a child, though...and health awareness is becoming more and more as time goes on...(..I don’t know what age she is now, this might jot have been that long ago..)...

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....hmmmm, she was a child, though...and health awareness is becoming more and more as time goes on...(..I don’t know what age she is now, this might jot have been that long ago..)...

As an overweight child, she still needed to burn more calories than she took in if she wanted to lose weight. There really is no way to sugarcoat it. Obviously if they were forcing fad dieting on her, then that would be wrong, but offering her exercise and salad is what a parent should be offering regardless of a childs weight.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

They would have been worse parents if she came to them with this same problem and they just told her to love herself. I think if I was a parent in that situation, I would have done the same. Offer her the chance to change the things she doesn't like about herself.

I read this the other day and tbf I thought what they did is what most parents would do

[Niamh.]

Yeah I think I agree with Slim here, it's a parents job to make sure their kids are healthy and being over weight isn't. People are tip toeing around hurt feelings and no one can take facts anymore

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah I think I agree with Slim here, it's a parents job to make sure their kids are healthy and being over weight isn't. People are tip toeing around hurt feelings and no one can take facts anymore

...yeah I agree as well, they handled it in a way that many parents would have...but Honey’s perspective is that diet advise is ‘insane and toxic’ and that’s how she found it both then and now in reflection...I wonder if she discussed the Loose Women debate topic with her parents before she went in and they also knew what she would say...because it would be very hurtful to her parents if it’s something they haven’t all discussed since and that was the first time they were hearing it...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah I agree as well, they handled it in a way that many parents would have...but Honey’s perspective is that diet advise is ‘insane and toxic’ and that’s how she found it both then and now in reflection...I wonder if she discussed the Loose Women debate topic with her parents before she went in and they also knew what she would say...because it would be very hurtful to her parents if it’s something they haven’t all discussed since and that was the first time they were hearing it...

Crash diets are insane and toxic maybe, but having a proper diet is sensible and healthy. I mean were they telling her to go on the Atkins diet or were they telling her to eat more fruit and veg and cut out the McDonalds and chocolate

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Crash diets are insane and toxic maybe, but having a proper diet is sensible and healthy. I mean were they telling her to go on the Atkins diet or were they telling her to eat more fruit and veg and cut out the McDonalds and chocolate

...in my own personal opinion, I think any diet is toxic just because of the word ‘diet’...which suggests depriving off and cutting out etc...it’s an eating change for a life plan that could work better for that person...and if it doesn’t...?...then it’s finding that life eating plan to ‘fit‘...I think especially when food treats are so important to young people as well..(...well older people also...)...so it’s being able to still have those, but just rearrange them a little...

[Ammi]

...maybe that’s it as well, maybe it’s the attachment to ‘diet’ that she felt to be toxic...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...in my own personal opinion, I think any diet is toxic just because of the word ‘diet’...which suggests depriving off and cutting out etc...it’s an eating change for a life plan that could work better for that person...and if it doesn’t...?...then it’s finding that life eating plan to ‘fit‘...I think especially when food treats are so important to young people as well..(...well older people also...)...so it’s being able to still have those, but just rearrange them a little...

Again, I don't see why we have to tip toe around words, your Diet is just what you eat, having a healthy diet isn't being on a diet as such. I don't think we're really helping kids turn in to capable, functioning adults by "protecting" them from words, absolutely normal words at that

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Ammi

......but Honey’s perspective is that diet advise is ‘insane and toxic’ and that’s how she found it both then and now in reflection.....

Hm, that wording sounds like kind of thing you'd find on one of those websites which are done in earnest but are used to make feminists look stupid, if that makes sense "toxic" is a very "Tumblr" word. Sounds like Honey spent too much time on the Internet during lockdown

But in general, I agree with what Slim said up thread. Of course helping ones kids diet is a positive thing, while actively shaming them isn't.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The DM have been on this story for a few days now

Spoiler:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...s-parents.html

very little sympathy for her reading the comments

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The DM have been on this story for a few days now

Spoiler:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...s-parents.html

very little sympathy for her reading the comments

Shocking given the readership

[Niamh.]

Actually (and I know some people are just more prone to weight gain) but I wonder in people who use food as an emotional crutch or coping mechanism, does that stem from childhood, on whether when they were upset as a child the parents used sweets or treats to "make them feel better"? From a personal point of view my parents didn't ever do that and now food is the last thing I look for if I'm upset or feeling low

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Actually (and I know some people are just more prone to weight gain) but I wonder in people who use food as an emotional crutch or coping mechanism, does that stem from childhood, on whether when they were upset as a child the parents used sweets or or treats to "make them feel better"? From a personal point of view my parents didn't ever do that and now food is the last thing I look for if I'm upset or feeling low

..yeah, I’m not a ‘comfort eater’ either ...but I recall Becky Hannon from BB...her weight struggles seemed to begin when she lost a sibling...I think her brother died very young...

[Ammi]

...we had a school cook...well quite a few years ago...but she was a nightmare for giving children extra pudding treats to ‘cheer them up’ if she felt they were a bit glum...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...we had a school cook...well quite a few years ago...but she was a nightmare for giving children extra pudding treats to ‘cheer them up’ if she felt they were a bit glum...

Yeah, it's just like most things, as a child you're learning to associate and if every time you feel down, fatty or sweet food is the "cure" you're going to reach for that too when you get older

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, it's just like most things, as a child you're learning to associate and if every time you feel down, fatty or sweet food is the "cure" you're going to reach for that too when you get older

..yeah I think there are a lot of emotionally related comfort associations with smiles/happiness and food etc...and trying to ‘reprogram’ yourself to relating food to hunger and sustenance only, so not overeating beyond being full as well at a meal...?...there might be a little physical stuff involved as well because it’s a common thing for some to say....IT HAS to be ChOCoLATE as a specific craving as opposed to it being a more general ‘treat craving’...

[Marsh.]

Why is this woman starting to make a living out of "SLAMMING" her parents whenever they breathe?

Time to get a job.

[user104658]

Depends if they were saying "lets improve our diets and lifestyle" or "you should go on a diet".

Diets are utter nonsense, the weight lost "on a diet" is almost always put back on later. So if they were encouraging her to "diet" that's not the best idea. If they were encouraging her to eat more healthily and take up physical activities that's another matter; although I would say the best way to do this is to just do it, as a family, rather than "telling" one family member they should do it.

[bots]

it's very easy to blame others for your own predicament basically