[Cherie]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

They would have been worse parents if she came to them with this same problem and they just told her to love herself. I think if I was a parent in that situation, I would have done the same. Offer her the chance to change the things she doesn't like about herself.

I read this the other day and tbf I thought what they did is what most parents would do

[bots]

it's very easy to blame others for your own predicament basically

[Kizzy]

Parents are not infallible, to be still blaming your parents for your issues as an adult is immature.

As said the best thing to do as a kid rather than diet is activities. Gymnastics, trampolining, swimming, dance.

She sounds a bit bratty imo, attempting to shame your parents for suggesting ways to help you in your best interest is unfair and hurtful.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Parents are not infallible, to be still blaming your parents for your issues as an adult is immature.

As said the best thing to do as a kid rather than diet is activities. Gymnastics, trampolining, swimming, dance.

She sounds a bit bratty imo, attempting to shame your parents for suggesting ways to help you in your best interest is unfair and hurtful.

It really is, we've all, as parents did the wrong thing sometimes (not that I think they're even wrong here but you know) parents are just people doing what they think is best with the tools they have, If she ever has kids herself lets see how perfect she is.

[Kizzy]

She needs to work on her self esteem, she could start by washing her hair?

[Liam-]

Ah yes, she’s not entitled to have feelings about something because parents aren’t perfect, that sounds very balanced and fair

[The Slim Reaper]

Kizzy sending for Niamh

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Ah yes, she’s not entitled to have feelings about something because parents aren’t perfect, that sounds very balanced and fair

She can have whatever feelings she wants Liam, she's the one who brought those feelings about her parents in to the media so i presume she doesn't mind having that discussed?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

She can have whatever feelings she wants Liam, she's the one who brought those feelings about her parents in to the media so i presume she doesn't mind having that discussed?

Well that’s not what people are saying in here though is it? It seems people don’t really care that the smallest of things can effect children for the rest of their lives, but how dare they criticise their parents!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Ah yes, she’s not entitled to have feelings about something because parents aren’t perfect, that sounds very balanced and fair

It's not fair on her parents to have their purported failings aired on national television..

If you have a problem tell a therapist or a councillor, what are the panel of loose women going to do to help? Their the most effed up bunch of dried up old crones on TV. All they know how to do is flog their tales of depression/ menopause/ divorce to the daily mirror.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not fair on her parents to have their purported failings aired on national television..

If you have a problem tell a therapist or a councillor, what are the panel of loose women going to do to help? Their the most effed up bunch of dried up old crones on TV. All they know how to do is flog their tales of depression/ menopause/ divorce to the daily mirror.

Because maybe other parents can hear her experience and adjust how they deal with their kids as a result, would it have helped if she did it on this morning?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Well that’s not what people are saying in here though is it? It seems people don’t really care that the smallest of things can effect children for the rest of their lives, but how dare they criticise their parents!

Jeez Liam you don't need to get so outraged about it, it's just a discussion

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Jeez Liam you don't need to get so outraged about it, it's just a discussion

I’m not ‘outraged’ I just can’t believe there are people actually blaming her for the feelings something in her childhood caused her, I think most parents would be mortified that something they had done or said caused their child to have bad feeling about it into their adulthood

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I’m not ‘outraged’ I just can’t believe there are people actually blaming her for the feelings something in her childhood caused her, I think most parents would be mortified that something they had done or said caused their child to have bad feeling about it into their adulthood

But something she's doing now is probably causing her parents to have bad feelings, why is she the only one who's feelings matter to you? Maybe she's in the wrong, maybe she's too sensitive, maybe she's trying to transfer blame so she doesn't have to deal with the real issue.....or maybe it's all her parents faults, we're all just giving our opinions on that from our own life experiences

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

She needs to work on her self esteem, she could start by washing her hair?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's not fair on her parents to have their purported failings aired on national television..

If you have a problem tell a therapist or a councillor, what are the panel of loose women going to do to help? Their the most effed up bunch of dried up old crones on TV. All they know how to do is flog their tales of depression/ menopause/ divorce to the daily mirror.

Having illnesses like depression discussed on a public platform does a lot of good for a lot of people and isn't deserving of derision. It's certainly not on the level of celebs sharing trashy stories about their lives.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Ammi

......but Honey’s perspective is that diet advise is ‘insane and toxic’ and that’s how she found it both then and now in reflection.....

Hm, that wording sounds like kind of thing you'd find on one of those websites which are done in earnest but are used to make feminists look stupid, if that makes sense "toxic" is a very "Tumblr" word. Sounds like Honey spent too much time on the Internet during lockdown

But in general, I agree with what Slim said up thread. Of course helping ones kids diet is a positive thing, while actively shaming them isn't.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Because maybe other parents can hear her experience and adjust how they deal with their kids as a result, would it have helped if she did it on this morning?

If you're getting parenting advice from the pulsating mass of HRT that is loose women or Mr ' kids I've hid my true self from you all your life' Scofield. .There's something very wrong

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

If you're getting parenting advice from the pulsating mass of HRT that is loose women or Mr ' kids I've hid my true self from you all your life' Scofield. .There's something very wrong

Idk which part of that to discuss first, the misogyny or the homophobia.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I’m not ‘outraged’ I just can’t believe there are people actually blaming her for the feelings something in her childhood caused her, I think most parents would be mortified that something they had done or said caused their child to have bad feeling about it into their adulthood

It's not what she's saying...it's the way she's saying it.the context is rather accusatory which us imo very unfair. I'm sure her parents did not intend to hurt her with their suggestions.

I'm sure they are mortified, and remember her issues began with the bullying, everything her parents did was to counter that but it seems the damage was already done.

The best way to get back at those bullies would be to hit the gym, reduce the sugar and have a makeover. She has beautiful eyes and her hair colour is amazing.

As an adult that has had my fair share of toxic people filter in and out hearing her say those things is upsetting to me, she's tarring her parents with the same brush. No their advice was not ideal but it came from a place of love. If she acknowledged that she would heal a lot quicker.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Idk which part of that to discuss first, the misogyny or the homophobia.

Liam for goodness sake...stop projecting your dumb labels onto me. I mentioned that to highlight that parents don't always do the right thing that's all!

I'm the same age as the loose women.. so am I misogynistic against myself? :/

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Having illnesses like depression discussed on a public platform does a lot of good for a lot of people and isn't deserving of derision. It's certainly not on the level of celebs sharing trashy stories about their lives.

Does it? To people who actually do share/sell trashy stories about their lives.

Imo family therapy would've been a better way to go, that way her parents would have been able to hear and absorb how hurt she was without feeling judged by a load of over opinionated piss heads.

[user104658]

The patriarchy's greatest weapon strikes again

[Cherie]

I’m in Kizzy’s corner

Watched the clip, she seems very angry, watching JR over the years he always spoke about his kids and dogs in a loving way, don’t know much about his wife, but Honey comes across as a bit spoiled, would she rather they have taken her to Maccies D to comfort eat, ‘diets’ were not the right way to go but 10 years ago ‘diets’ were very popular and cutting calories is a sure fire way to lose weight...now healthy eating is more the norm than bingeing and starving, and as for Gloria nodding along ..give me strength....she knows what it’s like to lose a child so to be supporting this rather angry woman in slurring her parents on day time TV was crass. Her parents must be very upset by her actions

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Liam for goodness sake...stop projecting your dumb labels onto me. I mentioned that to highlight that parents don't always do the right thing that's all!

I'm the same age as the loose women.. so am I misogynistic against myself? :/

Women can be misogynistic too yes.

You mentioned him hiding his sexuality as a reason someone shouldn’t take parenting advice from him, sorry, that is dubious imo.