[Elrond Hubbard]

Originally Posted by MatthewS

Lolz

I should have learned from the Markus - Sree thread a few years back that anything race related is just problematic in general ...

Not really.

Sree was just a gigantic eff-wit.

[Fish_Fingers]

Some of you people have no idea about how the real world works. Whether you like it or not, people WILL judge you on your appearance. Whether you or tall or short, young or old, male or female, attractive or ugly, disabled or not, black or white, have long hair or short hair.... people will form opinions of you based on those things. Hopefully we are getting to a stage when people are not likely to be physically attacked/beaten/spat on/denied services because of those things, but it is simply ridiculous to attempt to police people's thoughts on these issues as the PC brigade would wish.

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by Fish_Fingers

Some of you people have no idea about how the real world works. Whether you like it or not, people WILL judge you on your appearance. Whether you or tall or short, young or old, male or female, attractive or ugly, disabled or not, black or white, have long hair or short hair.... people will form opinions of you based on those things. Hopefully we are getting to a stage when people are not likely to be physically attacked/beaten/spat on/denied services because of those things, but it is simply ridiculous to attempt to police people's thoughts on these issues as the PC brigade would wish.

If only Martin Luther King, the Suffragettes and all those other wistful PC-Brigade Marching Band Dreamers shared your insight....

When we cease to try to better ourselves, our only option is decline.

[Fish_Fingers]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

If only Martin Luther King, the Suffragettes and all those other wistful PC-Brigade Marching Band Dreamers shared your insight....

When we cease to try to better ourselves, our only option is decline.

They fought against real discrimination. I don't think Martin Luther King would have been particularly concerned with what type of people an old sea hag like Jemima was attracted to.

[fruit_cake]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

If only Martin Luther King, the Suffragettes and all those other wistful PC-Brigade Marching Band Dreamers shared your insight....

When we cease to try to better ourselves, our only option is decline.

what a great post

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Fish_Fingers

Some of you people have no idea about how the real world works. Whether you like it or not, people WILL judge you on your appearance. Whether you or tall or short, young or old, male or female, attractive or ugly, disabled or not, black or white, have long hair or short hair.... people will form opinions of you based on those things. Hopefully we are getting to a stage when people are not likely to be physically attacked/beaten/spat on/denied services because of those things, but it is simply ridiculous to attempt to police people's thoughts on these issues as the PC brigade would wish.

Here's someone who talks a bit of sense

Very nicely said Fish Fingers

[MatthewS]

I think even Jemima would accept the "you probably woundn't date a white man" comment might have been pushing it.

Even then though, it's not like that absolutely shows that jemina views other races as inferior to her own. It's certainly poor taste but I mean, do we think it's safe to assume that most races date within their own race? And if so, is acknowledging that someone "probably" wouldn't date someone that's outside of their race really such a reach? Or is it logical? Obviously you shouldn't say that to person in question, but I'm just commenting on the general idea...

[optimisticcynic]

Originally Posted by MatthewS

I think even Jemima would accept the "you probably woundn't date a white man" comment might have been pushing it.

Even then though, it's not like that absolutely shows that jemina views other races as inferior to her own. It's certainly poor taste but I mean, do we think it's safe to assume that most races date within their own race? And if so, is acknowledging that someone "probably" wouldn't date someone that's outside of their race really such a reach? Or is it logical? Obviously you shouldn't say that to person in question, but I'm just commenting on the general idea...

I do get why it may seem that her innocent faux-pas is being beaten to death, but it is quite a topical issue at present and changing a generation's perspective has to start with changing an individual's perspective. Interracial relationships have been fought for, and there has been significant sacrifice to challenge engraved opposition. You used the term "acknowledging", which I would have no issue with, but in Jemima's case, she was assuming, which has a more negative connotation. Take for example the racist tide of hatred spurred by the recent cheerios ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OtFRFgqHto

[the truth]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

I do get why it may seem that her innocent faux-pas is being beaten to death, but it is quite a topical issue at present and changing a generation's perspective has to start with changing an individual's perspective. Interracial relationships have been fought for, and there has been significant sacrifice to challenge engraved opposition. You used the term "acknowledging", which I would have no issue with, but in Jemima's case, she was assuming, which has a more negative connotation. Take for example the racist tide of hatred spurred by the recent cheerios ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OtFRFgqHto

not sure its that black and white (pun intended), maybe she simply formed this opinion about gina not the entire black community?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by optimisticcynic

I do get why it may seem that her innocent faux-pas is being beaten to death, but it is quite a topical issue at present and changing a generation's perspective has to start with changing an individual's perspective. Interracial relationships have been fought for, and there has been significant sacrifice to challenge engraved opposition. You used the term "acknowledging", which I would have no issue with, but in Jemima's case, she was assuming, which has a more negative connotation. Take for example the racist tide of hatred spurred by the recent cheerios ad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OtFRFgqHto

Wow thanks for posting this, what a disgusting set of responses to their campaign.
Like you I feel she simply was crushingly insensitive and a clear case of foot in mouth, the word racist is bandied around too frequently when there are comments like this.
To label someone a racist for one unintentional remark is really unacceptable too.

[Sun Tzu.]

Jamina didn't help herself with the white comment. To be honest she just came across as thick and not able to articulate her position properly. Gina realised, latched onto it and used it to try and get her out.

But it was blown out of proportion. She used generalizing to form her argument which isn't good.

[the truth]

Ive heard people from all races and religions and yes from the so called black community state they only date, marry women and men from within that community....its not called racist then , it may be called narrow minded etc but never racist....but if a white person says anything on the topic here its racist? I think you have to look at the intention too, for example the whole jade v shilpa gate whilst going way over the top was bullying (probably not racism) she was being a bitch and using shilpas ethnicity to try and bully her with her groupies

the word racism is a very strong one and is not applicable here at all

however, a poster mentions disabled issues. I think that's a whole thoroughly more difficult more complex multi faceted issue that society hasn't even got close to addressing properly

[sampvt]

Racism is getting out of control, or should I say, what people perceive racism to be is getting out of control. It is getting so we cant even mention preferences without some Blacks jumping on the band wagon. They can say anything to us like your skin is pasty and needs sun or your redness is laughable.....would we get away with commenting on their skin colour, straight hair extensions and or the colour of the makeup they use.

Seems to me that those coloured people that use blond wigs or extensions, use pasty makeup to make them look lighter and effectively try to go whiter are the very people that seem to be ashamed of their own colour or even race and have no rights to play the race card for such an innoxious comment like Jemima made.

I am defo not racist but I am against racism that is used to gain an advantage in life. Gina seems to think she is above everyone and dresses and tries to look more European than her other friends. This looks to me like she isn't all that comfortable in her own skin colour yet she champions the black racism issue to such a degree that its laughable.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Racism is getting out of control, or should I say, what people perceive racism to be is getting out of control. It is getting so we cant even mention preferences without some Blacks jumping on the band wagon. They can say anything to us like your skin is pasty and needs sun or your redness is laughable.....would we get away with commenting on their skin colour, straight hair extensions and or the colour of the makeup they use.

Seems to me that those coloured people that use blond wigs or extensions, use pasty makeup to make them look lighter and effectively try to go whiter are the very people that seem to be ashamed of their own colour or even race and have no rights to play the race card for such an innoxious comment like Jemima made.

I am defo not racist but I am against racism that is used to gain an advantage in life. Gina seems to think she is above everyone and dresses and tries to look more European than her other friends. This looks to me like she isn't all that comfortable in her own skin colour yet she champions the black racism issue to such a degree that its laughable.

"Coloured people"??? OMG!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by letmein

"Coloured people"??? OMG!

Oh FFS

[smeagol]

how is this thread still going lol

bb were wrong gina was pathetic and a disgrace. the world has gone mad. you will never win the race card game. thats why its played the card beats every card in the deck .and defeats all form of justified logic.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by smeagol

how is this thread still going lol

bb were wrong gina was pathetic and a disgrace. the world has gone mad. you will never win the race card game. thats why its played the card beats every card in the deck .and defeats all form of justified logic.

This what I came in here to say. Get out of my head smeagol...

[smeagol]

Originally Posted by Livia

This what I came in here to say. Get out of my head smeagol...

lol i might try mind control - paypal me 10 billion repeat 20 times in head lol

[sampvt]

Here is a question for all these so called cyber warriors that champion Ginas cause......How many of you would date and marry a person that was directly opposed to your own race.......Only you know that answer, so do you now view yourself as a racist. Food for thought eh. Now close this thread it is going nowhere apart from offering the so called politically correct brigade a platform to spout crap from.

Originally Posted by sampvt

Here is a question for all these so called cyber warriors that champion Ginas cause......How many of you would date and marry a person that was directly opposed to your own race.......Only you know that answer, so do you now view yourself as a racist. Food for thought eh. Now close this thread it is going nowhere apart from offering the so called politically correct brigade a platform to spout crap from.

What does "directly opposed to your own race" even mean?

I've never been out with a black girl, but I've been out with a couple of mixed race girls, a Pakistani, an Egyptian, and possibly the woman with the palest skin on earth (ginger).

It's not about being part of the politically correct brigade, but rather the need to disperse with some of the inherently racist language we still use today. The tone of your post identifies for me where your real views on race lie. It's not politically correct to disagree with you, it's completely reactionary to agree with you.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

What does "directly opposed to your own race" even mean?

I've never been out with a black girl, but I've been out with a couple of mixed race girls, a Pakistani, an Egyptian, and possibly the woman with the palest skin on earth (ginger).

It's not about being part of the politically correct brigade, but rather the need to disperse with some of the inherently racist language we still use today. The tone of your post identifies for me where your real views on race lie. It's not politically correct to disagree with you, it's completely reactionary to agree with you.

So by your own admission you have not been out with a black girl, by definition of what we are discussing, you are then a racist as am I (according to those that seem to know better than us) We both know this is crap as we are allowed to make a choice and both you and I are not racists, but there are some on here that think we are. How stupid is this thread and ginas actions by definition.

Originally Posted by sampvt

So by your own admission you have not been out with a black girl, by definition of what we are discussing, you are then a racist as am I (according to those that seem to know better than us) We both know this is crap as we are allowed to make a choice and both you and I are not racists, but there are some on here that think we are. How stupid is this thread and ginas actions by definition.

But I don't class black people as being "directly opposed to my own race". I was just giving an overview to show that I have no issues with dating anyone of any race. I'd happily date a black girl if I could find one desperate enough to go out with me.

I don't think the incident in BB was racist, but I think the phrase "you probably wouldn't date a white guy" is inherently racist. That's not to say she's racist for using it, but it shows deeply held opinions of people who haven't moved in to this century yet, and still rely on tired old stereotypes from the 70's, or have difficulty expressing their opinions correctly.

I can see how older people would have issues with the language, as I imagine living through the cross over would be difficult. My Grandma was a vicious racist who would have sent them all back on the boat if she'd had her way. Fortunately, she was just a country dweller from middle England, worried about difference and "the other".

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Jesus.

But I don't class black people as being "directly opposed to my own race". I was just giving an overview to show that I have no issues with dating anyone of any race. I'd happily date a black girl if I could find one desperate enough to go out with me.

I don't think the incident in BB was racist, but I think the phrase "you probably wouldn't date a white guy" is inherently racist. That's not to say she's racist for using it, but it shows deeply held opinions of people who haven't moved in to this century yet, and still rely on tired old stereotypes from the 70's, or have difficulty expressing their opinions correctly.

I can see how older people would have issues with the language, as I imagine living through the cross over would be difficult. My Grandma was a vicious racist who would have sent them all back on the boat if she'd had her way. Fortunately, she was just a country dweller from middle England, worried about difference and "the other".

Is that not a racist comment. Goes both ways mate. I am old but not yet senile and I have my views. The difference nowadays is we are not allowed to air them. Yet most still think them.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Here is a question for all these so called cyber warriors that champion Ginas cause......How many of you would date and marry a person that was directly opposed to your own race.......Only you know that answer, so do you now view yourself as a racist. Food for thought eh. Now close this thread it is going nowhere apart from offering the so called politically correct brigade a platform to spout crap from.

Where is it written that the races are opposed?....
This is a really strange comment sam, not sure what you mean here.

[sampvt]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Where is it written that the races are opposed?....
This is a really strange comment sam, not sure what you mean here.

What I meant was if you were a white British male would you date a black African princess or if you were a Chinese person would you date an aboriginal girl or a girl well outside your races beliefs and parameters.

I think most readers get my drift without my comments giving the race police another excuse to spout crap about my analysis of race.