[beardedbloke]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Isn't that a kind of compliment? What is wrong with Helen?

that's right Niamh, it is a compliment. If someone liked me in spite of my faults, I see that as a good thing.

Helen knows what they said and she knows they were being positive about her. She's just gleeful that she can twist certain phrases against them.

helen is one nasty piece of work, looking out for any excuse to pounce and attack.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm really glad she reacted the way she did... that wouldn't have happened before she would've steamed in.
She's waiting till today to discuss it sober, good on you helen.

That is right,she may even see it differently today too, I wouldn't bet on that however.

[jet]

Originally Posted by beardedbloke

looking at Helen's body language and facial expression, you can tell that she KNOWS she is lying. She KNOWS they were saying they like her now IN SPITE of her faults. This is a compliment, not an insult.

If Helen really believed that Ashleigh and Chris were calling her a 'nightmare' etc. she would be hurt or angry. Look at her body language and face. She is neither.

She is calculating and cruel. She's thinking 'right, I've got them now'. She's been biding her time to pounce on Ashleigh because Helen is jealous as hell of Ashleigh.

Helen now sees this as her perfect opportunity to maul and scratch and go in for the kill.

I do hope the public can see all this.

Exactly my thoughts when I watched it. I wonder how it will be edited though?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I'm sorry Leon but that's what Helen represents to a lot of people inside and outside of the BB house...yeah, I agree many could say the same about Ashleigh and how she sneers when she talks about someone and it's that person at school who you felt was talking about you..?..and made you feel rubbish..I get that/Ashleigh doesn't smile much, I'm not going to pretend she does...so maybe people have encountered and 'Ashleigh' in their life in the past and that provokes things they actively dislike in a person so that's all they see...?...the difference though here is that Chris and Ashleigh were both saying that Helen represented everything they disliked in a person and yet somehow they liked her/they saw other qualities in her..(and tbh, it's also what a lot of her fans have said when they started off not liking her and then saw other parts to her...a 'deeper character' and not just what you see on the surface..?...)...we all have multi aspects to ourselves and we see that by spending time together and getting to know each other and that's the whole point of what they were saying..that's something though that Helen has not seemed to also do...she hasn't been on a journey at all and still only 'hears' what she wants to hear and everything she hears is negative/she turns everything into a negative...there was so much positive in what they were saying..yeah there was negative as well...it's impossible not to see the negative in Helen but why couldn't she have also taken on the positive in that they were saying that they liked her regardless at having got to know her better/that there were nice aspects to her character...but she immediately twisted what they said and removed all good things from that conversation...and that for me starts to wipe our her positives for me because regardless of how complex her character is or how much understanding I would have for her with things she's gone through etc...the results and reality is the same...she turns people's personalities back on themselves/removes all nice things about others and sees people as just 'hostile objects' and the result of that is to make people around her feel fairly miserable which is the effect she appears to have had on many in the house all the way through and most people (in the real world..)... would just not want to spend time with someone like that....

Brilliant post Ammi. You take time to really observe and have a real understanding of people and what makes them tick.

[Kizzy]

Had she heard the whole convo it may have been different..

[Brother Leon]

Ashleigh telling Winston she told Chris that Helen is a beautiful woman with banging body. Either these Youtube vids show us nothing or her and Helen are both full of ****

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

That's what the diary room is talking about another housemates getting angry out

She's hardly in the diary room so I don't see why you have said some think about camera time

But she's said for weeks and weeks she going to tell Helen to her face ,not once has she done it

[Jake.]

Not suprised at Helen not paying attention to the whole conversation and flying off the handle.. she's a hypocrite too, claiming that neither Chris or Ashleigh should have pretended to get along with her because they 'had to', yet claimed that she's only getting on with Asheligh because she's in the house...

"I don’t particularly like Ashleigh but I’ve got on with her because I’ve had to. In the real word I’d turn around and say to her, ‘I can’t ******ing stand you, do not speak to me do not look at me, do not cross my path, I can’t ******ing stand you."

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Craigy_CraigO

Nobody will back her up though, if anything Winston and Ash will tell her to ****. Great post though.



When did she promise to? That was the public who fabricated that, she is capable of destroying Helen in 3 seconds flat in a confrontation, she has before and if Helen stupidly brings looks into the equation that would be like radioing a orbital nuclear strike on her own head against somebody like Ashleigh. I can't wait.

[jet]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

But she's said for weeks and weeks she going to tell Helen to her face ,not once has she done it

Tell Helen what to her face?
Could you give examples?

[Samm]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

But she's said for weeks and weeks she going to tell Helen to her face ,not once has she done it

She hasn't said that once

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by ~Sam~

She hasn't said that once

Selective memory

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Selective memory

Can you tell us when she said it? Closest I've seen to anyone saying they'll have her is Danielle, who bottled it when Ashleigh got pounced on and beat Helen and Kimbot at the same damn time.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Not suprised at Helen not paying attention to the whole conversation and flying off the handle.. she's a hypocrite too, claiming that neither Chris or Ashleigh should have pretended to get along with her because they 'had to', yet claimed that she's only getting on with Asheligh because she's in the house...

"I don’t particularly like Ashleigh but I’ve got on with her because I’ve had to. In the real word I’d turn around and say to her, ‘I can’t ******ing stand you, do not speak to me do not look at me, do not cross my path, I can’t ******ing stand you."

Exactly. But any post that contradicts what some people want to hear is rarely answered or discussed sensibly.
Take, for example, the fact that Helen has been shown without doubt to be two - faced. I haven't seen one post that admits to that from those who go on and on about Ashleigh being two faced. It's okay for Helen to do it, but the worst thing in the world if Ashleigh does it.
Which is the way Helen looks at it too....

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Craigy_CraigO

Can you tell us when she said it? Closest I've seen to anyone saying they'll have her is Danielle, who bottled it when Ashleigh got pounced on and beat Helen and Kimbot at the same damn time.

Bless

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Bless

But tell me, I'm genuinely curious.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Craigy_CraigO

But tell me, I'm genuinely curious.

So am I.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Craigy_CraigO

But tell me, I'm genuinely curious.

Im sorry Im no ones laccy ,please loo through Erins videos all evidence of Ashleighs cowardice and threats are in there

[susie q]

She has to be the first one out on the final night.

[bots]

If Helen's behaviour is accepted more than Ashleigh's these days its because she comes across as being more straightforward and natural. I'm not seeing much in Ashleigh that is not being driven by some hidden motive

[jet]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Im sorry Im no ones laccy ,please loo through Erins videos all evidence of Ashleighs cowardice and threats are in there

I have my answer. Ashleigh didn't say any such thing, and you know it.

[Creggle]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Im sorry Im no ones laccy ,please loo through Erins videos all evidence of Ashleighs cowardice and threats are in there

Who's Erin? I'm not expecting you to be a lacky lol, I was genuinely just asking.

[rubymoo]

I think everyone's view of a confrontation is different, my view of a confrontation is to go up and say "why did you say this about me.....i heard you say it" then quite possibly argue my point, Ashleigh has never done this, in the beginning she was saying how vile Helen was which was true! And that she was going to say it to her face, but it never happened, then when Helen did confront her Ashleighs reply was a bit a wet flannel! Your view of a confrontation maybe to have a little chat and someone else's view maybe that a confrontation is a Kat Slater moment.

We're all different .

Just so you know, i don't like confrontation so would go with the little chat

[rubymoo]

Originally Posted by Craigy_CraigO

Who's Erin? I'm not expecting you to be a lacky lol, I was genuinely just asking.

Erin posts a lot of the video's on this forum

[bbfan1991]

Youtube video

Go Ashleigh and Chris!!