[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..what I will say and just picking up on a previous post from Josh I think it was...?...with the 'no compassion'..?..I think that you have much compassion, Marsh...you very much have compassion and great thought for this family, which is very, very admirable...

Thank you.

I don't know. Maybe it's our personal experience which dictate what side of the story we might gravitate towards. Having seen the effects from the pain and selfishness of dads walking out on their family it's ruling the direction of my compassion in this particular case.

[kirklancaster]

Can there EVER be a legitimate EXCUSE for any parent to abandon their partners and children in order for that parent to pursue his/her own selfish interests?

No.

Can there be deep-seated psychological REASONS which are behind a parent's abandonment of his/her family to go off in pursuit of their own selfish interests or desires?

YES.

In which case that parent needs psychological help.

In these types of cases however, I still find it very suspicious:

a) that this 'need' to swap 'gender' always seems to become the most potent and no longer 'containable' when the unfortunate reaches veritable 'old age'.

b) These types of unfortunates are so vulnerable and intimidated by a cruel non-understanding world, that they immediately leap in front of media cameras and microphones to publicise their predicament.

c) All the - predictable - sympathy from certain 'P.C' lovers of '-Ism's', always seems to be for the 'unfortunates' and NOT for their poor children and partners and relatives.

I once pissed myself when I saw an old monochrome photo of the abhorrent bastard, J.Edgar Hoover, dressed in female clothing with silk stockings and suspenders, blonde wig, and full 'Whatever Happened To Baby Jane' O.T.T. make-up, and I confess that my first reaction when I saw this photograph of this 'unfortunate' was no different, because it is so utterly ludicrous.

I have a very long PROVABLE history of campaigning for Gay Rights - when Gays WERE violently and abhorrently discriminated against - and I have not got one 'Homophobic' bone in my body, but if my tendency to regard this particular case as being more of a 'sicko' needing desperate professional help than any 'Transgender' or whatever issue, causes anyone to pin that particular label on me, then go ahead.

I admit to being baffled by this.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well, yeah, you're right Ammi, these complex matters do tend to incite so many different interpretations and reactions but I can't see the wife/kids/family as in the wrong in this instance.

He was the one that entered into a relationship with his wife as a fully grown heterosexual man and brought these children into the world. To make them into some kind of enemy that won't allow him to "be who he wants" is utterly selfish to me no matter his own issues. Surely the whole part of being a parent is thinking beyond yourself. It's a kind of deception for him to suddenly say this is who he is after all this time and then blame them for not wanting to deal with it.

When you strip it away from the out of the ordinary "wants to be a 6 year old child" stuff it kind of boils down to the same deadbeat dad territory to me. A dad thinking of himself and not the responsibilities to a (in this case, quite large) family he had a hand in creating. Then when he decides he'd like a part of their lives again, it's only on his own terms and if they accept him. The whole thing really does not sit well with me.

Yep I absolutely agree with that, how would it be any different from a 46 year old man with a wife and 7 kids who suddenly decides he wants to be 20 years old again and single and start dating 19 year old girls? Should his family accept that because that's who he wants to be now?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

Yep I absolutely agree with that, how would it be any different from a 46 year old man with a wife and 7 kids who suddenly decides he wants to be 20 years old again and single and start dating 19 year old girls? Should his family accept that because that's who he wants to be now?

A VERY good point.
That's why I said when you take away the unusual "6 year old girl" angle, he's just another man dropping his responsibilities as he fancies going doing something else for his own pleasures/gains.

[Ashley.]

People need to stop labelling people as transphobic or bigots, he's abandoned his family because "oh I don't feel like being an adult right now", the bastard should grow up and take some responsibility, I'm sorry but it's pathetic.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by ChristmasNeeve

Yep I absolutely agree with that, how would it be any different from a 46 year old man with a wife and 7 kids who suddenly decides he wants to be 20 years old again and single and start dating 19 year old girls? Should his family accept that because that's who he wants to be now?

Originally Posted by Ashley in Wonderland

People need to stop labelling people as transphobic or bigots, he's abandoned his family because "oh I don't feel like being an adult right now", the bastard should grow up and take some responsibility, I'm sorry but it's pathetic.

So much truth...

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Ashley in Wonderland

People need to stop labelling people as transphobic or bigots, he's abandoned his family because "oh I don't feel like being an adult right now", the bastard should grow up and take some responsibility, I'm sorry but it's pathetic.

I don't think most people are defending him specifically, just defending other trans people. I agree, there is never a good reason to abandon your children. There's nothing wrong being trans AND a parent.

That whole otherkin **** is just... ugh.