[Niamh.]

Oh no, i went to click that so badly I don't know when I'll get the TV to myself again

[Lostie!]

How far did you get?

I want to go back and rewatch seasons 1 and 2 now.

[Niamh.]

Up to episode 7, if the other 3 had been out at the time I would have got the whole Season done in one night

[Niamh.]

One episode to go, so good, can't believe we'll have to wait a whole year though for the conclusion

[Lostie!]

I know This is why I hoped to not speed through the season too quickly but I couldn't help myself

[Niamh.]

Spoiler:

I wonder what was special about Elisa as well, why she was the only one whose death Ethan couldn't see? I wonder if they will explain that or not

[Lostie!]

Did you love Olivia as Jennifer in the 80s episode?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Did you love Olivia as Jennifer in the 80s episode?

Yes! I love the tone of this show, they get everything so right, it's serious when it needs to be but the humour is fantastic aswell.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes! I love the tone of this show, they get everything so right, it's serious when it needs to be but the humour is fantastic aswell.

Completely agree, the balance is spot on

Something I didn't catch but in the episode where Cassandra sees her mother, she was called Kathryn, which was the name of Cassie's counterpart in the movie

I love that they're doing their own story but with all these little references to the movie.

[Niamh.]

Finished the Season

Spoiler:

I just noticed how you spelled "Athan" why was I thinking his name was Ethan all along hhhmmm, is it pronounced Ethan or do i have hearing problems?

Never saw that Olivia twist coming Well, I guessed she may not be being upfront with the splinter team because of Jennifer, Jennifer is always correct on these things, they really don't listen to her enough but I didn't guess that she was the Witness all along

But ugh I didn't want Athan to die, also is Jones dead or did they save her?

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Finished the Season

Spoiler:

I just noticed how you spelled "Athan" why was I thinking his name was Ethan all along hhhmmm, is it pronounced Ethan or do i have hearing problems?

Never saw that Olivia twist coming Well, I guessed she may not be being upfront with the splinter team because of Jennifer, Jennifer is always correct on these things, they really don't listen to her enough but I didn't guess that she was the Witness all along

But ugh I didn't want Athan to die, also is Jones dead or did they save her?

Looking online, quite a few people thought he was called Ethan, easy mistake to be fair

I'm so intrigued to see how Olivia becomes The Witness we know. Like, in season 2 she possessed Cassie, obviously current Olivia doesn't have the ability to do that.

I think Jones is still alive, just seriously wounded. And while I guess Athan definitely is dead, I think we'll still see him next season thanks to time travel.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Looking online, quite a few people thought he was called Ethan, easy mistake to be fair

I'm so intrigued to see how Olivia becomes The Witness we know. Like, in season 2 she possessed Cassie, obviously current Olivia doesn't have the ability to do that.

I think Jones is still alive, just seriously wounded. And while I guess Athan definitely is dead, I think we'll still see him next season thanks to time travel.

I'm really curious how this is all going to end, I'm thinking that they will succeed and time will reset and they all will never even know eachother :'(

also a thought

Spoiler:

Jennifer never ends up being Coles mother, does she? hhmmm it's probably Madeline Stowes character but it was just a thought I had

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm really curious how this is all going to end, I'm thinking that they will succeed and time will reset and they all will never even know eachother :'(

also a thought

Spoiler:

Jennifer never ends up being Coles mother, does she? hhmmm it's probably Madeline Stowes character but it was just a thought I had

It would be weird if Jennifer found out the guy she's been crushing on was her grown up time traveling son from the future

I really hope Madeleine Stowe comes back for the final season. I do have doubts about Lillian being Cole's mother though (I originally thought about her being Jennifer's mother too). She was a grown woman in 1959 and Cole would have been born around 50 years after that, but this is a show about time travel and then there are those like Olivia and Pallid Man who age slower than everyone else so I'm not discounting it entirely. Lillian could have been another of the children created from the DNA of Mantis (the female Messenger mother of Olivia and Pallid Man) which would be interesting since it would make Cole's two worst enemies his own aunt and uncle (I know Lillian was locked up for killing her parents and siblings and obviously she didn't kill Mantis, Olivia and Pallid but she could have been adopted). Okay I'm pretty certain none of that is happening but it's just really fun to speculate, as you said this type of show is perfect for that

I'd love Olivia to be Cole's mother but I can't see how that would work since his mother was apparently on the run from the 12 Monkeys whereas Olivia was a high ranking member, I'd just love the inversion of what we thought to be true (Cole thinks The Witness is his child and it's actually his parent). UNLESS it is Olivia, not present Olivia but Future Olivia after she's fully become The Witness and conceives Cole to ensure the cycle plays out as it should and her past self follows the path she needs to in order to become The Witness.



(I'm not using tags now you're caught up since we're the only 2 on here who appreciate this wonderful show )

[Niamh.]

Was reading an article about the finale and I love these questions, especially the last one GOD DAMN IT!!!

Some questions I still have after watching the finale that I expect will be answered in Season 4: What's the deal with Cole's mysterious mom? Will Cole master the red tea and save the world through his time tripping? Is Virus Meat Man Cole? When is the Cole who saved Cole in "Mother" from? He seemed more evolved than the Coles we know so far. And when will everyone finally just listen to Jennifer?

http://ie.ign.com/articles/2017/05/2...witness-review

[Niamh.]

I'd forgotten about "virus meat man"

[Niamh.]

Also from that article :

Could saving Olivia from herself be the key? The killing people gambit never seems to pay off.

Rescuing a young Olivia from her box maybe?

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'd forgotten about "virus meat man"

I have always subscribed to the theory that it's Cole. Jennifer once said "there's something about its eyes" and she always called Cole "otter eyes".

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Also from that article :

Could saving Olivia from herself be the key? The killing people gambit never seems to pay off.

Rescuing a young Olivia from her box maybe?

Oh that's interesting. They did make a point this season of having Olivia call them out for leaving her there as a child.

[Lostie!]

Also you should check out this webisode they put out before season 2 (so way before the Olivia reveal). Huge foreshadowing at the end.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x45s5ho

[Niamh.]

I'm glad I didn't watch it before Season 3 started.......although I probably wouldn't have clicked on to that anyway

[Lostie!]

I saw that prior to season 3 and I never thought of it as a hint about anything tbh so the twist still came completely out of the blue. I like to think it was an intentional clue though since I want to believe it was always planned

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I saw that prior to season 3 and I never thought of it as a hint about anything tbh so the twist still came completely out of the blue. I like to think it was an intentional clue though since I want to believe it was always planned

Oh I'd say it is, i'm not sure they could do it any other way with all the details that need to fit together

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Oh I'd say it is, i'm not sure they could do it any other way with all the details that need to fit together

Yeah, a lot of shows don't bother with the pre-planning but I really think 12 Monkeys has. I only wondered because, when it was apparently revealed that it was Cole and Cassie's child, you could look back at so many clues that had been there all along so I wondered if that was their original plan and then they decided to change it after season 2.

But that was probably all by design, since it made so much sense nobody bothered to doubt it, so the real reveal came as an even bigger surprise

[Niamh.]

Yeah why else would they need to protect Cole and Cassie so much at the start and not kill them when they had chances to?

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah why else would they need to protect Cole and Cassie so much at the start and not kill them when they had chances to?

I assume Future Olivia knew she needed them to play out their roles in the cycle, her past self apparently being abandoned by The Witness and eventually going to Titan to kill "him" was what led to her becoming The Witness in the first place. So basically there needed to be that red herring for her past self to go after, which she knew because she'd already done it ... if that makes sense?

I'm sure it will all be much clearer next season since we'll presumably see Olivia truly become The Witness and see her doing the things we've seen The Witness doing over the first few seasons.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I assume Future Olivia knew she needed them to play out their roles in the cycle, her past self apparently being abandoned by The Witness and eventually going to Titan to kill "him" was what led to her becoming The Witness in the first place. So basically there needed to be that red herring for her past self to go after, which she knew because she'd already done it ... if that makes sense?

I'm sure it will all be much clearer next season since we'll presumably see Olivia truly become The Witness and see her doing the things we've seen The Witness doing over the first few seasons.

Oh no I know that I mean that's why i think it was, planned from the start and not just making it up as they go along