[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Joey , its really not worth falling out over , I never said I believed the debate about the judges I just put that opinion out there, lets be honest , they are ALL out for their own needs , they ALL lie ,and has the PM really broke any law if so what was it ? as no one seems to know ,as John major also did a similar thing but it was not taken to a court , anyway , just to say we have a differing opinion that is all , personally , imo, I don't think Corbyn would make any difference and I would not want him as PM , but he may do it , if he does, I will give him a chance which is more than what the PM has been afforded imo.

He HAS broken a law.
The Attorney General has conceded that in Parliament today.

He abused his power in proroguing Parliament.
The court found him unlawful in doing so.

They went further in saying parliament should not have been and in fact was not prorogued at all.
That it was never legally prorogued.

It isn't just from now.
They found him unlawful doing it then when he did.

Of course he and his advisers have broken a law.

John Major did prorogue too.
Not for the length if time Johnson intended to.

Unlike you.
I would be saying that unreservedly about any party PM, not just this Con one.

If people cannot trust what a PM says and he/ she is found to have been deceitful and acting unlawfully.
That person should never hold the office of Prime Minister.
No matter who or what party they are from

He's been PM since July and has been found to have misled the Monarch and acted unlawfully.
He should lose any and every chance now.
Out of sheer decency alone.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What makes people think he'd be a good PM, he's not even a good Opposition Leader! He calls his Shadow Cabinet a "government in waiting" when it contains the universally mocked Dianne Abbott who is probably an android designed by the Tories, and be can't even get said Shadow Cabinet to follow the same line on Brexit.

I like socialist policy. .. no party is 100% unified, Labour proud to be a 'broad church', your mocking is very telling, Diane Abbot is a well respected shadow minister.
I have more faith in Labour than the Conservatives going forward...especially with regard to brexit.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I like socialist policy. .. no party is 100% unified, Labour proud to be a 'broad church', your mocking is very telling, Diane Abbot is a well respected shadow minister.
I have more faith in Labour than the Conservatives going forward...especially with regard to brexit.

Diane abbot is an arsehole..

In 2004, following a complaint made by Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell, Abbott was investigated by the Committee on Standards and Privileges regarding payments she had received from the BBC. The committee found that she had failed to declare earnings of Ł17,300 in the Register of Members' Interests she had received for appearances on the television programme This Week. The Committee upheld the complaint and required Abbott to apologise to the House.[85]......


How on earth can someone like her be respected.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Diane abbot is an arsehole..

In 2004, following a complaint made by Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell, Abbott was investigated by the Committee on Standards and Privileges regarding payments she had received from the BBC. The committee found that she had failed to declare earnings of Ł17,300 in the Register of Members' Interests she had received for appearances on the television programme This Week. The Committee upheld the complaint and required Abbott to apologise to the House.[85]......


How on earth can someone like her be respected.

I could list every MP from here to Glasgow that's had an expenses related issue, are they all arse holes?
In that case as it was a tv appearance and not a gift, trip or speech I would say it was an oversight, but as it's Diane Abbot it will of course be made out to be something other. :/

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I could list every MP from here to Glasgow that's had an expenses related issue, are they all arse holes?
In that case as it was a tv appearance and not a gift, trip or speech I would say it was an oversight, but as it's Diane Abbot it will of course be made out to be something other. :/

She also had to give back just under 2 grand she was paid for speaking to students....to students fgs....

An oversight you say....well sorry but I wouldn't be praising someone who forgets to declare money as many times as it took her to get to 17 grand...

Sounds a bit Grabby, greedy and dishonest if you ask me...not someone that should be praised as a shadow home secretary...then of course you have her comments on the IRA, her hypocrisy surrounding public schools...the lust is pretty long. ..far far too long for someone to be praised or respected as a politician.


Also her comments regarding white mothers not wanting or going all out as much for thier children as black mothers do..makes her racist imom

[Twosugars]

As opposed to conservatives who in recent polls value brexit more than union with Scotland and peace in ireland?
Dont make me laugh

[jet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

As opposed to conservatives who in recent polls value brexit more than union with Scotland and peace in ireland?
Dont make me laugh

Your response is telling.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by jet

Your response is telling.

Out of arguments then are we

[jet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Out of arguments then are we

Brexit can't cause an end to peace. The responsibilty will lie with those who use guns and bombs to kill and maim innocent people once again. There is NO excuse for that.
But you didn't comment on Corbyns actions, did you? Nothing to say about that?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by jet

Brexit can't cause an end to peace. The responsibilty will lie with those who use guns and bombs to kill and maim innocent people once again. There is NO excuse for that.
But you didn't comment on Corbyns actions, did you? Nothing to say about that?

Hard brexit will break the terms of the peace accord. It will be Britain's fault.
It will set back the peace process.
Terrorism is never the answer regardless.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

As opposed to conservatives who in recent polls value brexit more than union with Scotland and peace in ireland?
Dont make me laugh

That was conservative voters rather than front benchers though, right?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That was conservative voters rather than front benchers though, right?

So?

Many in britain believe ireland is irish and british presence in northern ireland is a remnant of colonialism
IRA was not the first or last organization's who fought for independence with violent means.

I dont approve of terrorism but if you condemn them, condemn most of independence seeking organizations including founders of israel, the Kurdish. Even polish armed uprisings during partitions of poland.

Luckily reason prevailed and we have peace.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

So?

What do you mean "so?" ?

Jet was talking about prominent politicians, not randos who filled a survey in.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What do you mean "so?" ?

Jet was talking about prominent politicians, not randos who filled a survey in.

Thatcher supported Pinochet and apartheid
And yet they put up her statues

[jet]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What do you mean "so?" ?

Jet was talking about prominent politicians, not randos who filled a survey in.

Exactly. Corbyn fans pretend not to be fans yet will twist and turn to avoid condemning his actions. They forget morals, decency and human suffering in their eagerness to brush it all off by the much used word here - 'whataboutery'.
It's disgusting.

[Kazanne]

The only people who are responsible for killings and maiming are the persons that pick up the weapons or lay the bombs, too easy to blame government bodies, we should take responsibilty for our own actions ,its always a blame game now.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

The only people who are responsible for killings and maiming are the persons that pick up the weapons or lay the bombs, too easy to blame government bodies, we should take responsibilty for our own actions ,its always a blame game now.

Here we can agree Kazanne.
Well said.

Outside of war that is.

Although I do blame Blair and his government that supported it for the atrocities in Iraq.

Which is why I fear a no deal brexit and anything like a separatist scenario as to a border in N Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

Which no government needs to do by bringing in a hard no deal brexit.

No excuses should be provided for those you list at the start of your post to start violence again.

[Twosugars]

So you are pro reunification Jet
The way you write I thought you were a unionist

[jet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

So you are pro reunification Jet
The way you write I thought you were a unionist

I'm not for or against reunification (I'm from a mixed Catholic/Protestant marriage so I was kind of brought up to see both sides). I'm for democracy and
what the majority of the population want, I don't really care. What I am against is violence to acheive those aims and anyone who sympathised with the murderers.
I lived through the horror and heartbreak of it all at close quarters. Many who wanted a united ireland through peaceful means don't want it any more because the IRA killed too many of their own kind indiscriminately to get their way. It's still complicated.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jet

I'm not for or against reunification (I'm from a mixed Catholic/Protestant marriage so I was kind of brought up to see both sides). I'm for democracy and
what the majority of the population want, I don't really care. What I am against is violence to acheive those aims and anyone who sympathised with the murderers.
I lived through the horror and heartbreak of it all at close quarters. Many who wanted a united ireland through peaceful means don't want it any more because the IRA killed too many of their own kind indiscriminately to get their way. It's still complicated.

It seems like it's too far down the road for a united Ireland imo Have you been watching that Spotlight Documentary Jet?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It seems like it's too far down the road for a united Ireland imo Have you been watching that Spotlight Documentary Jet?

Not yet, I have it recorded but haven't been in the right frame of mind to watch it yet. Too many bad memories.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jet

Not yet, I have it recorded but haven't been in the right frame of mind to watch it yet. Too many bad memories.

I can imagine, it's really upsetting, I've watched the first two as I have to wait for it to be uploaded to youtube because I don't have BBC NI or BBC4.

[Alf]

Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer, we'll keep the Red flag flying here.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Alf

Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer, we'll keep the Red flag flying here.

IF Johnson really wants an election and a no confidence vote.
Plus IF he really believes he'd win an election and that no way would parliament now install Corbyn as PM.

Why doesn't Johnson present a vote of no confidence himself.
He can.

That was ruled out by the Cons.

He doesn't really want an election, his own Party's private polling will be showing him.
No overall majority is likely.
In fact he would lose ground.

All he'd achieve is replacing a hung parliament, with an even greater hung parliament.

He'd be the largest Party but he knows the pitfalls.
That's why he won't hold a no confidence vote himself.

Nothing cowardly or traitorous at all, the Parties all just know until brexit has moved to the next stage.
Any chance of an overall majority is unlikely.

This parliament was only elected 2 years ago.
A year after the referendum.
This Parliament is the one speaking with the latest publicly voted voice

[Alf]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

IF Johnson really wants an election and a no confidence vote.
Plus IF he really believes he'd win an election and that no way would parliament now install Corbyn as PM.

Why doesn't Johnson present a vote of no confidence himself.
He can.

That was ruled out by the Cons.

He doesn't really want an election, his own Party's private polling will be showing him.
No overall majority is likely.
In fact he would lose ground.

All he'd achieve is replacing a hung parliament, with an even greater hung parliament.

He'd be the largest Party but he knows the pitfalls.
That's why he won't hold a no confidence vote himself.

Nothing cowardly or traitorous at all, the Parties all just know until brexit has moved to the next stage.
Any chance of an overall majority is unlikely.

This parliament was only elected 2 years ago.
A year after the referendum.
This Parliament is the one speaking with the latest publicly voted voice

I didn't say anybody was Cowardly or a traitor, I was just singing "The Red flag" to end the conference, comrade.