[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

A quick search would have helped but ok, they want inspections to go back to local authorities.

Well anything can be thrown out there,even the internet info comes from somewhere, besides I asked on here as it seems to be the font of all knowledge

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well anything can be thrown out there,even the internet info comes from somewhere, besides I asked on here as it seems to be the font of all knowledge

Here we go again

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Joey , its really not worth falling out over , I never said I believed the debate about the judges I just put that opinion out there, lets be honest , they are ALL out for their own needs , they ALL lie ,and has the PM really broke any law if so what was it ? as no one seems to know ,as John major also did a similar thing but it was not taken to a court , anyway , just to say we have a differing opinion that is all , personally , imo, I don't think Corbyn would make any difference and I would not want him as PM , but he may do it , if he does, I will give him a chance which is more than what the PM has been afforded imo.

He HAS broken a law.
The Attorney General has conceded that in Parliament today.

He abused his power in proroguing Parliament.
The court found him unlawful in doing so.

They went further in saying parliament should not have been and in fact was not prorogued at all.
That it was never legally prorogued.

It isn't just from now.
They found him unlawful doing it then when he did.

Of course he and his advisers have broken a law.

John Major did prorogue too.
Not for the length if time Johnson intended to.

Unlike you.
I would be saying that unreservedly about any party PM, not just this Con one.

If people cannot trust what a PM says and he/ she is found to have been deceitful and acting unlawfully.
That person should never hold the office of Prime Minister.
No matter who or what party they are from

He's been PM since July and has been found to have misled the Monarch and acted unlawfully.
He should lose any and every chance now.
Out of sheer decency alone.

[jet]

As for trust and decency, this is the man many here would prefer as PM.
Unbelievable.


The true extent of Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell’s links with the IRA is revealed by a Telegraph investigation.
It can be disclosed that for seven years running, while the IRA “armed struggle” was at its height, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke at official republican commemorations to honour dead IRA terrorists, IRA “prisoners of war” and the active “soldiers of the IRA.”

The official programme for the 1988 event, held one week after the IRA murdered three British servicemen in the Netherlands, states that “force of arms is the only method capable of bringing about a free and united Socialist Ireland.” Mr Corbyn used the event to attack the Anglo-Irish Agreement, the precursor of the peace process………….

The disclosures are made after research by the Telegraph in archives in London, Oxford and Belfast.
They come after the Prime Minister, David Cameron, attacked Mr Corbyn last week as “terrorist-sympathising” and “Britain-hating.”
The new revelations were greeted with shock and disgust by victims and opponents of the IRA.
Lord Tebbit, whose wife, Margaret, was permanently crippled by the Brighton bomb, said: "It’s hard to think how Corbyn could sink any lower. It’s the classic definition of the snake’s belly. He betrays his hatred of democracy and his love of violence, which survives to this day.”.............

Between 1986 and 1992, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke each year at the annual “Connolly/Sands” commemoration in London to honour dead IRA terrorists and support imprisoned IRA “prisoners of war.”
Programmes for the events have been obtained by the Telegraph.
The programme for the 1987 event, on May 16 of that year, praises the “soldiers of the IRA,” saying: “We are proud of our people and the revolutionaries who are an integral part of that people.”

The programme for the 1988 event, on May 8 of that year, states that “in this, the conclusive phase in the war to rid Ireland of the scourge of British imperialism… force of arms is the only method capable of bringing this about.”
The event took place the day after the funerals of the service personnel killed by the IRA in the Netherlands.
Each programme includes a list of IRA “prisoners of war” who are to be honoured that year, including the Brighton bomber, Patrick Magee, and sectarian murderers.
The lists include their prisons and birthdays, with IRA supporters in the UK encouraged to send them birthday cards in jail.
Mr Corbyn typically spoke alongside senior figures from Sinn Fein, including Gerry Adams at the 1991 event, at which he attacked “British imperialism” and praised Bobby Sands, the IRA terrorist who died on hunger-strike.

In a telephone interview during the recent leadership campaign, Mr Corbyn was repeatedly asked by a BBC interviewer whether he condemned the murders by the IRA.
He five times refused to answer the question directly, saying: “I condemn what was done by the British Army as well as the other sides” before the line went dead.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...IRA-links.html

The IRA killed thousands of innocent victims and injured ten times as many during their murderous campaign. Yet you would ignore all that, his immorality, his skewed principles, and have him as PM of this country. You people are a joke.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by jet

As for trust and decency, this is the man many here would prefer as PM.
Unbelievable.


The true extent of Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell’s links with the IRA is revealed by a Telegraph investigation.
It can be disclosed that for seven years running, while the IRA “armed struggle” was at its height, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke at official republican commemorations to honour dead IRA terrorists, IRA “prisoners of war” and the active “soldiers of the IRA.”

The official programme for the 1988 event, held one week after the IRA murdered three British servicemen in the Netherlands, states that “force of arms is the only method capable of bringing about a free and united Socialist Ireland.” Mr Corbyn used the event to attack the Anglo-Irish Agreement, the precursor of the peace process………….

The disclosures are made after research by the Telegraph in archives in London, Oxford and Belfast.
They come after the Prime Minister, David Cameron, attacked Mr Corbyn last week as “terrorist-sympathising” and “Britain-hating.”
The new revelations were greeted with shock and disgust by victims and opponents of the IRA.
Lord Tebbit, whose wife, Margaret, was permanently crippled by the Brighton bomb, said: "It’s hard to think how Corbyn could sink any lower. It’s the classic definition of the snake’s belly. He betrays his hatred of democracy and his love of violence, which survives to this day.”.............

Between 1986 and 1992, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke each year at the annual “Connolly/Sands” commemoration in London to honour dead IRA terrorists and support imprisoned IRA “prisoners of war.”
Programmes for the events have been obtained by the Telegraph.
The programme for the 1987 event, on May 16 of that year, praises the “soldiers of the IRA,” saying: “We are proud of our people and the revolutionaries who are an integral part of that people.”

The programme for the 1988 event, on May 8 of that year, states that “in this, the conclusive phase in the war to rid Ireland of the scourge of British imperialism… force of arms is the only method capable of bringing this about.”
The event took place the day after the funerals of the service personnel killed by the IRA in the Netherlands.
Each programme includes a list of IRA “prisoners of war” who are to be honoured that year, including the Brighton bomber, Patrick Magee, and sectarian murderers.
The lists include their prisons and birthdays, with IRA supporters in the UK encouraged to send them birthday cards in jail.
Mr Corbyn typically spoke alongside senior figures from Sinn Fein, including Gerry Adams at the 1991 event, at which he attacked “British imperialism” and praised Bobby Sands, the IRA terrorist who died on hunger-strike.

In a telephone interview during the recent leadership campaign, Mr Corbyn was repeatedly asked by a BBC interviewer whether he condemned the murders by the IRA.
He five times refused to answer the question directly, saying: “I condemn what was done by the British Army as well as the other sides” before the line went dead.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...IRA-links.html

The IRA killed thousands of innocent victims and injured ten times as many during their murderous campaign. Yet you would ignore all that, his immorality, his skewed principles, and have him as PM of this country. You people are a joke.

All backed by the wonderfully respectable shadow home secrataty as well at the time.

[jet]

Originally Posted by parmnion

All backed by the wonderfully respectable shadow home secrataty as well at the time.

Indeed....

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/a...tain-rp79dvvmk

Diane Abbott backed victory for the IRA in an interview with a pro-republican journal, The Sunday Times has found.
Abbott, who will become home secretary if Labour wins the election, said in the 1984 interview that Ireland “is our struggle — every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us. A defeat in Northern Ireland would be a defeat indeed.”
The interview was found during research by The Sunday Times in Irish and republican archives.......
And.....
The same files disclose that the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, personally led or took part in at least 72 separate events or actions with Sinn Fein and pro-republican groups during the years of the IRA’s armed struggle — far more than previously known.
These included a petition to Downing Street on behalf of Hugh Doherty, a member of the IRA’s Balcombe Street gang convicted of killing seven people, and protests against the extradition of Dessie Ellis, a top IRA bomb maker who has denied links to about 50 deaths.

Lovely, decent, trustworthy people, these current Labour worthies.
Britian will be in safe hands with them, eh?

[Twosugars]

As opposed to conservatives who in recent polls value brexit more than union with Scotland and peace in ireland?
Dont make me laugh

[jet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

As opposed to conservatives who in recent polls value brexit more than union with Scotland and peace in ireland?
Dont make me laugh

Your response is telling.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by jet

Your response is telling.

Out of arguments then are we

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

As opposed to conservatives who in recent polls value brexit more than union with Scotland and peace in ireland?
Dont make me laugh

That was conservative voters rather than front benchers though, right?

[jet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Out of arguments then are we

Brexit can't cause an end to peace. The responsibilty will lie with those who use guns and bombs to kill and maim innocent people once again. There is NO excuse for that.
But you didn't comment on Corbyns actions, did you? Nothing to say about that?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That was conservative voters rather than front benchers though, right?

So?

Many in britain believe ireland is irish and british presence in northern ireland is a remnant of colonialism
IRA was not the first or last organization's who fought for independence with violent means.

I dont approve of terrorism but if you condemn them, condemn most of independence seeking organizations including founders of israel, the Kurdish. Even polish armed uprisings during partitions of poland.

Luckily reason prevailed and we have peace.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

So?

What do you mean "so?" ?

Jet was talking about prominent politicians, not randos who filled a survey in.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by jet

Brexit can't cause an end to peace. The responsibilty will lie with those who use guns and bombs to kill and maim innocent people once again. There is NO excuse for that.
But you didn't comment on Corbyns actions, did you? Nothing to say about that?

Hard brexit will break the terms of the peace accord. It will be Britain's fault.
It will set back the peace process.
Terrorism is never the answer regardless.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What do you mean "so?" ?

Jet was talking about prominent politicians, not randos who filled a survey in.

Thatcher supported Pinochet and apartheid
And yet they put up her statues

[jet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Hard brexit will break the terms of the peace accord. It will be Britain's fault.
It will set back the peace process.
Terrorism is never the answer regardless.

So the IRA atrocities were Britains fault and will be again. I see. I assume then that you didn't comment on the pieces about Corbyn and the IRA because you agree with him because their murders of innocent men, women and children were Britains fault. Got it.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by jet

So the IRA atrocities were Britains fault and will be again. I see. I assume then that you didn't comment on the pieces about Corbyn and the IRA because you agree with him because their murders of innocent men, women and children were Britains fault. Got it.

Indirectly only.
The situation is not that clear cut bc half the population wants to stay with Britain.
IRA and loyalist terror have never been something i approved of but whether we like it or not, it happened.

As to politicians and their views, not going to condemn some but not others.
Even the current government supports murderous regimes across the world

My personal view is those you quoted wouldn't say the same thing now.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Indirectly only.
The situation is not that clear cut bc half the population wants to stay with Britain.
IRA and loyalist terror have never been something i approved of but whether we like it or not, it happened.

As to politicians and their views, not going to condemn some but not others.
Even the current government supports murderous regimes across the world

My personal view is those you quoted wouldn't say the same thing now.

I'm talking about an individual, not a government.
I've never heard of a British or Irish leader of the country speaking at a terrorist rally even once, never mind over 70 times, have you? I've never seen them, photographed heads close together, whispering with a terrorist commander, like Corbyn? I've never heard of them attending terrorist funerals either. If I did, I would outrigt condemn them and I certainly wouldn't want them as my PM. Do you condemn Corbyn for what he did?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Hard brexit will break the terms of the peace accord. It will be Britain's fault.
It will set back the peace process.
Terrorism is never the answer regardless.

On your first points.
It will, and it will be Britain's fault.

Your second point, it will indeed sadly.

Your last point, it is never the answer and to even risk it returning and increasing is reckless.

[jet]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What do you mean "so?" ?

Jet was talking about prominent politicians, not randos who filled a survey in.

Exactly. Corbyn fans pretend not to be fans yet will twist and turn to avoid condemning his actions. They forget morals, decency and human suffering in their eagerness to brush it all off by the much used word here - 'whataboutery'.
It's disgusting.

[jet]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

On your first points.
It will, and it will be Britain's fault.

Your second point, it will indeed sadly.

Your last point, it is never the answer and to even risk it returning and increasing is reckless.

You, Corbyn and Diane are like three little peas in a pod. Awwww....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Diane abbot is an arsehole..

In 2004, following a complaint made by Conservative MP Andrew Rosindell, Abbott was investigated by the Committee on Standards and Privileges regarding payments she had received from the BBC. The committee found that she had failed to declare earnings of Ł17,300 in the Register of Members' Interests she had received for appearances on the television programme This Week. The Committee upheld the complaint and required Abbott to apologise to the House.[85]......


How on earth can someone like her be respected.

I could list every MP from here to Glasgow that's had an expenses related issue, are they all arse holes?
In that case as it was a tv appearance and not a gift, trip or speech I would say it was an oversight, but as it's Diane Abbot it will of course be made out to be something other. :/

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Well anything can be thrown out there,even the internet info comes from somewhere, besides I asked on here as it seems to be the font of all knowledge

It was reported from labour conference that only concluded yesterday. Who on here at the moment is the font of all knowledge? No oracles about that I can see thankfully, we are all free to safely draw our own conclusions.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I could list every MP from here to Glasgow that's had an expenses related issue, are they all arse holes?
In that case as it was a tv appearance and not a gift, trip or speech I would say it was an oversight, but as it's Diane Abbot it will of course be made out to be something other. :/

She also had to give back just under 2 grand she was paid for speaking to students....to students fgs....

An oversight you say....well sorry but I wouldn't be praising someone who forgets to declare money as many times as it took her to get to 17 grand...

Sounds a bit Grabby, greedy and dishonest if you ask me...not someone that should be praised as a shadow home secretary...then of course you have her comments on the IRA, her hypocrisy surrounding public schools...the lust is pretty long. ..far far too long for someone to be praised or respected as a politician.


Also her comments regarding white mothers not wanting or going all out as much for thier children as black mothers do..makes her racist imom

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by jet

I'm talking about an individual, not a government.
I've never heard of a British or Irish leader of the country speaking at a terrorist rally even once, never mind over 70 times, have you? I've never seen them, photographed heads close together, whispering with a terrorist commander, like Corbyn? I've never heard of them attending terrorist funerals either. If I did, I would outrigt condemn them and I certainly wouldn't want them as my PM. Do you condemn Corbyn for what he did?

You confuse me for a fan of Corbyn
I support Labour, broadly.

I do condemn him for supporting terrorism, but not independent Ireland.

Do you condemn loyalist terrorism? Do you condemn injustices of centuries long British occupation?

I still want labour government though.