[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Josy

I started watching that too shes definitely dodgy as hell

He isn’t the sharpest, she could be the brains behind it all

[Amy Jade]

I'm only about 40 minutes in and I know the ending and I am obviously in no way defending the guy but I think Shannann was way too obsessed with social media so I am not shocked the love fell out of their marriage.

Like at one point after 5 weeks away iir she was more concerned with getting a video of him arriving at the airport than actually seeing him and then she complained he wasn't attentive. Well in all honestly if I was away from Tyler for 5 weeks and when my plane touched down and his response was 'let me film it' I'd be put out too?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

I started watching that too shes definitely dodgy as hell

I watched 4 of them and she's lied loads plus she does that thing of talking loads and loads about stuff unrelated for an age

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I'm only about 40 minutes in and I know the ending and I am obviously in no way defending the guy but I think Shannann was way too obsessed with social media so I am not shocked the love fell out of their marriage.

Like at one point after 5 weeks away iir she was more concerned with getting a video of him arriving at the airport than actually seeing him and then she complained he wasn't attentive. Well in all honestly if I was away from Tyler for 5 weeks and when my plane touched down and his response was 'let me film it' I'd be put out too?

Honestly though what does that have to do with her, her unborn son and two small daughters being murdered in cold blood?

[Niamh.]

I don't mean to be snappy Amy Jade but so what? So what if she's too in to social media, so what if Chris didn't like that? He doesn't like that therefore she deserves to be murdered along with her 3 babies? And if that's not what you are saying then why say it at all?

[Babayaro.]

Tbf to Amy, she was only saying that she wasn't shocked about the marriage falling apart due to Shannan's obsession with social media and constant need to film everything

Does she deserve to be murdered for it? Of course not

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Babayaro.

Tbf to Amy, she was only saying that she wasn't shocked about the marriage falling apart due to Shannan's obsession with social media and constant need to film everything

Does she deserve to be murdered for it? Of course not

Fair point, apologies Amy Jade. I have read some awful comments though saying Shanann was abusive towards Chris and it was understandable he snapped etc. There's some really terrible stuff being said and it's seems to be just because Chris is good looking

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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...also, considering that it’s as a time before social media etc and the ease of taking vids on phones...there was some amazing footage of Andrew...as you say, really brought him alive.....

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I was kind of mad at you for making me watch it for a while it's such an awful story but I'm really glad I did now His poor parents, they seem like just the nicest people in the whole world, how they get up everyday and keep moving is a miracle. I'm so glad they're really channeling that pain and anger though into something so worthwhile. It's an absolute disgrace that what happened to Zachery in particular was allowed to happen, it was so so preventable, the whole system failed that poor baby. I felt so bad for the dad as well when he said he really considered killing Shirley just to make Zachery safe

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

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I was kind of mad at you for making me watch it for a while it's such an awful story but I'm really glad I did now His poor parents, they seem like just the nicest people in the whole world, how they get up everyday and keep moving is a miracle. I'm so glad they're really channeling that pain and anger though into something so worthwhile. It's an absolute disgrace that what happened to Zachery in particular was allowed to happen, it was so so preventable, the whole system failed that poor baby. I felt so bad for the dad as well when he said he really considered killing Shirley just to make Zachery safe

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...yeah it really does show the absolute ‘evil’ in someone...and if that’s all it showed then I couldn’t have watched it either...but the total contrast of absolute ‘good’ was shown in his parents, so it had an uplifting feeling as well...to know there are people like them out there to balance the really awful stuff in the world...and also, a great tribute to Andrew himself, he deserves his life to be told as well because he seemed such a terrific guy...poor Zachary, I know......just heart rendering and the family he should have known were the very best of families...

[Wizard.]

This whole thing was just awful I've watched a few videos about it too and apparently he says he could've killed anyone and been justified for it because of his love for Nicole? And then apparently when he arrived in Colorado Shannan had a headache and he said he was giving her painkiller but it was actually a drug that would've made her miscarry because Nicole said she wanted to give him his first son. But because he confessed everything they didn't even bother investigating her.

Although I do believe if it wasn't Nicole he would've met someone else and still done it, apparently he was bisexual too and had an affair with a man.

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The thoughts of those two little girls though still alive having to travel with their dead mother, just horrific, what kind of a monster was he? And the motive, just so bizarre. I can't understand why he thought murdering his whole family was a better option than just leaving. So scary though, Reading her texts to her friend etc she really had no idea what kind of a man she had married or what he was capable of. Its a terrifying thing to realise that no matter how long you know a person, spend your life with them, can you ever truly know anyone?

So in America if he left his wife and kids he would have to pay so much child support that he would be broke and all his earnings would go to the children. Shannan would live in the house or at least get half of what it's worth and he would've had nothing to start a new life with his precious Nicole.

Also as he is a narcissist he would've been so concerned about what people would think of him leaving his family and pregnant wife that in his messed up head removing them from the scenario completely, thinking he could get away with it, would've left his image in tact.

I could never get over his daughter Bella singing that song about how her Daddy was her hero.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Wizard.

This whole thing was just awful I've watched a few videos about it too and apparently he says he could've killed anyone and been justified for it because of his love for Nicole? And then apparently when he arrived in Colorado Shannan had a headache and he said he was giving her painkiller but it was actually a drug that would've made her miscarry because Nicole said she wanted to give him his first son. But because he confessed everything they didn't even bother investigating her.

Although I do believe if it wasn't Nicole he would've met someone else and still done it, apparently he was bisexual too and had an affair with a man.

They probably couldn't pin anything on her anyway, I reckon she was just hinting and prodding without incriminating herself so much.

Originally Posted by Wizard.

So in America if he left his wife and kids he would have to pay so much child support that he would be broke and all his earnings would go to the children. Shannan would live in the house or at least get half of what it's worth and he would've had nothing to start a new life with his precious Nicole.

Also as he is a narcissist he would've been so concerned about what people would think of him leaving his family and pregnant wife that in his messed up head removing them from the scenario completely, thinking he could get away with it, would've left his image in tact.

I could never get over his daughter Bella singing that song about how her Daddy was her hero.

He's not very clever though is he? If that was premeditated (and I think he's said that it was) you'd think he'd have had a better plan. The neighbours CCTV alone had him pretty much caught straight away because it showed Shan'ann coming home and never leaving again or the girls leaving after that night

[Niamh.]

Ugh how gross is this, who the hell does he think he is? :

"Chris Watts keeps pictures of Shanann, Bella, and Celeste on his cell walls and spoke to them at night. He wrote Celeste a letter on her birthday and had his parents read it at her gravesite. He described himself as Celeste’s “safe haven” despite having murdered her and thrown her body in an oil drum."

https://filmdaily.co/news/chris-watts-jake-patterson/

[Wizard.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ugh how gross is this, who the hell does he think he is? :

"Chris Watts keeps pictures of Shanann, Bella, and Celeste on his cell walls and spoke to them at night. He wrote Celeste a letter on her birthday and had his parents read it at her gravesite. He described himself as Celeste’s “safe haven” despite having murdered her and thrown her body in an oil drum."

https://filmdaily.co/news/chris-watts-jake-patterson/

the epitome of delusional and psychotic

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

I'm only about 40 minutes in and I know the ending and I am obviously in no way defending the guy but I think Shannann was way too obsessed with social media so I am not shocked the love fell out of their marriage.

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't mean to be snappy Amy Jade but so what? So what if she's too in to social media, so what if Chris didn't like that? He doesn't like that therefore she deserves to be murdered along with her 3 babies? And if that's not what you are saying then why say it at all?

of course two innocent sweet little girls and their poor mother and the child she was carrying never deserved to be murdered. I said so in the first paragraph and I've been posting here for years now, have I ever struck you as the type of person who says such a thing? my god.

My comment was purely on their marriage and how odd it was.

[Josy]

Is Dear Zachary on Netflix?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

of course two innocent sweet little girls and their poor mother and the child she was carrying never deserved to be murdered. I said so in the first paragraph and I've been posting here for years now, have I ever struck you as the type of person who says such a thing? my god.



My comment was purely on their marriage and how odd it was.

No I'm sorry Amy, I shouldn't have said that, I had just read a lot of comments on YouTube making excuses for Chris and blaming Shan'ann so that was in my mind

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Josy

Is Dear Zachary on Netflix?

I Don't know i watched it on YouTube

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I Don't know i watched it on YouTube

Just found it on YouTube there lol

[Ramsay]

Dear Zachary is a very tough watch

[Ammi]

...yeah, Dear Zachary isn’t an easy watch, Josy...just to say...it really does depict evil in human...

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Dear Zachary is a very tough watch

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah, Dear Zachary isn’t an easy watch, Josy...just to say...it really does depict evil in human...

Absolutely heartbreaking and yes definitely not an easy watch, the tears are steaming down my face

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Josy

Absolutely heartbreaking and yes definitely not an easy watch, the tears are steaming down my face

....David and Kate Bagby are such incredibly inspirational people...I found this small update on their lives from January of this year...

https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/ne...ce=parsely-api

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No I'm sorry Amy, I shouldn't have said that, I had just read a lot of comments on YouTube making excuses for Chris and blaming Shan'ann so that was in my mind

youtube comments are the scurge, how anyone could excuse what he did is honestly beyond me, if you are unhappy you can leave those poor little girls especially did nothing but love him, anyone who can take a child's life is evil.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

youtube comments are the scurge, how anyone could excuse what he did is honestly beyond me, if you are unhappy you can leave those poor little girls especially did nothing but love him, anyone who can take a child's life is evil.

And not just any child but your own child, I just can't get my head around it and throwing their little bodies in oil tanks, its just so cold