[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

It just annoys me that she protrayed herself as the victim.
Especially when the tapes came out and what I always suspected was true : that's she's a very abusive kind of person.
Now Johnny may not be perfect, but he's not malicious like her.
He may have had to defend himself, but there's nothing wrong with that.

With all due respect Vanessa you have absolutely no idea what kind of a person Johnny is

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well the Sun were on trial for lying about him being abusive and it was found that they weren't lying so

He couldn’t prove to an acceptable level that he didn’t beat his wife, how does someone prove something like that? Especially in a world right now where men are automatically believed to be the abusers

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No. COMPLETELY disagree.

This was not a domestic abuse trial.

...no it wasn’t but, I understand that...but there was specific note made by the judge that at least 12 abuse allegations were found to be truth by him and the court...therefore there had to be a victim of those at least 12 truths...

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

With all due respect Vanessa you have absolutely no idea what kind of a person Johnny is

Maybe not, but he's always been my favourite actor and I've followed his career over the years.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

He couldn’t prove to an acceptable level that he didn’t beat his wife, how does someone prove something like that? Especially in a world right now where men are automatically believed to be the abusers

No, the Sun proved to a sufficient standard that he did do it

[Ammi]

...anyways, I’ll leave you all to it...(...after lighting the fire with my morning thoughts...)...if there is more justice and more victims and more truth to be revealed then I hope that, that happens...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...no it wasn’t but, I understand that...but there was specific note made by the judge that at least 12 abuse allegations were found to be truth by him and the court...therefore there had to be a victim of those at least 12 truths...

Completely disagree.

The presentation of facts within a context is key.

Him abusing Heard is one context.
Him abusing Heard and being on the receiving end of abuse from Heard is an entirely different context.

So, you can say "technically" The Sun cherry picked "facts" of actions Depp carried out. Are those facts a "whole truth" that accurately represent an "abuser" and a "victim"? No. It's a technicality.

[AnnieK]

The relationship was toxic. There are huge amounts of fault on both sides if the evidence presented at the trial is to be believed. No man should ever lay a hand on a woman but simarly the opposite is true, no woman should lay a hand on a man in anger and I believe they have both abused each other.

The only "winner" in this case is the Sun. I think it could have a massive detrimental effect on male costing of abuse coming forward due to the courts believing the woman.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

The relationship was toxic. There are huge amounts of fault on both sides if the evidence presented at the trial is to be believed. No man should ever lay a hand on a woman but simarly the opposite is true, no woman should lay a hand on a man in anger and I believe they have both abuses each other.

Yep.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Completely disagree.

The presentation of facts within a context is key.

...but the courts felt that the contexts were there for the ruling of ‘truths’...anyways, later alligator...I’m off.....

[Vanessa]

Johnny Depp is going to appeal. Right decision.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...but the courts felt that the contexts were there for the ruling of ‘truths’...anyways, later alligator...I’m off.....

It was based on the technicality of a "fact". An isolated fact is not a whole truth. Much less the representation of what The Sun claimed those facts represented, which is a far more complex story.

Laters.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

he tried to challenge reality and force the press to portray a false picture of who he is as an individual

Funny, that’s literally what Amber did

Originally Posted by Niamh.

No, the Sun proved to a sufficient standard that he did do it

Ah, I forgot Dan Wooton was Inspector Morse

[Liam-]

Let’s face it, Johnny was always going to be labelled as the abuser or the man that got away with being an abuser, that’s how it works and that is down to Amber purposefully portraying herself as the ultimate innocent victim when she is in fact, far from it

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Funny, that’s literally what Amber did



Ah, I forgot Dan Wooton was Inspector Morse

The court ruled on it of course.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Let’s face it, Johnny was always going to be labelled as the abuser or the man that got away with being an abuser, that’s how it works and that is down to Amber purposefully portraying herself as the ultimate innocent victim when she is in fact, far from it

This. She's not a victim at all.
I think she's very manipulative.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Let’s face it, Johnny was always going to be labelled as the abuser or the man that got away with being an abuser, that’s how it works and that is down to Amber purposefully portraying herself as the ultimate innocent victim when she is in fact, far from it

What world do you live in Liam where you think men are the hard done by ones in these things? The whole world (and TiBB) were weeping for Sean Connery the other day who had very questionable views on hitting women and had also been abusive to atleast one of his wives, it didn't seem to affect his career or anyone's opinion on how wonderful he was though. Lets just see how the careers of Amber and Johnny go after this to decide who's label sticks hardest

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What world do you live in Liam where you think men are the hard done by ones in these things? The whole world (and TiBB) were weeping for Sean Connery the other day who had very questionable views on hitting women and had also been abusive to atleast one of his wives, it didn't seem to affect his career or anyone's opinion on how wonderful he was though. Lets just see how the careers of Amber and Johnny go after this to decide who's label sticks hardest

The world has changed since Sean Connery's heyday.

I didn't even know about his views on violence against women until someone posted on twitter in response to someone saying RIP.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The world has changed since Sean Connery's heyday.

I didn't even know about his views on violence against women until someone posted on twitter in response to someone saying RIP.

As an experiment lets see who's career survives this, I give it a couple of years and Johnny Depp will be back in leading roles and he will be the lovable rogue he always was and Amber will have disappeared in to obscurity

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The court ruled on it of course.

You said the sun proved it, with what? All they had were Ambers stories

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

As an experiment lets see who's career survives this, I give it a couple of years and Johnny Depp will be back in leading roles and he will be the lovable rogue he always was and Amber will have disappeared in to obscurity

Johnny was fired from jobs off the back of Ambers first statement, if she no longer works it’s because she showed herself to be a violent manipulator who tried to ruin someone’s career all to garner sympathy and cover for herself, would you feel comfortable working with someone proven to be so devious?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Johnny was fired from jobs off the back of Ambers first statement, if she no longer works it’s because she showed herself to be a violent manipulator who tried to ruin someone’s career all to garner sympathy and cover for herself, would you feel comfortable working with someone proven to be so devious?

Well no because in my view they are both abusive, I'd rather see neither of them again tbqh

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

You said the sun proved it, with what? All they had were Ambers stories

The judge also mentions messages sent by Depp

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

As an experiment lets see who's career survives this, I give it a couple of years and Johnny Depp will be back in leading roles and he will be the lovable rogue he always was and Amber will have disappeared in to obscurity

Not really an experiment given he's at the tail end of a decades long major career and she's virtually a nobody who tried to use this situation as her big break.

Not that it has made a difference to the Man = abuser woman = victim narrative in the papers. Nor did it allow him to keep one of his biggest roles in one of the biggest movie franchises ever.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Not really an experiment given he's at the tail end of a decades long major career and she's virtually a nobody who tried to use this situation as her big break.

Not that it has made a difference to the Man = abuser woman = victim narrative in the papers. Nor did it allow him to keep one of his biggest roles in one of the biggest movie franchises ever.

I believe that's a temporary outcome, I'm not psychic by any means but we'll see