[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

I'm getting the feeling here Dana and I don't mean to jump the gun so I apologise in advance but me being a white, heterosexual male adult aged 24 means that I am excluded from being offended by anything?

Being called "white trash" by a posh black person might offend you?

It all depends on context... the reference to your racial characteristics could, arguably, add to the offence?

[DanaC]

You can and presumably are offended by whatever you find offensive.

I was resonding to this:

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Absolutely. I think often Implying offence can be as dangerous as real offence at times.


This only happened to me once so I can't claim racial prejudice or anything but I was called a white milky bar bastard by someone of Asian lineage and it was the most hilarious thing I ever heard. I was far from offended.

I was suggesting that there is a good reason as to why you were 'far from offended' and why it was 'the most hilarious thing' you ever heard.

I would suggest the lesson from that is not that asians should be less offended by racism (after all it didn't offend you!) but rather that racism is experienced differently when you are part of a minority race in a country that has been (and some would argue still is) both culturally and systemically prejudiced against your race.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by DanaC

You can and presumably are offended by whatever you find offensive.

I was resonding to this:



I was suggesting that there is a good reason as to why you were 'far from offended' and why it was 'the most hilarious thing' you ever heard.

I would suggest the lesson from that is not that asians should be less offended by racism (after all it didn't offend you!) but rather that racism is experienced differently when you are part of a minority race in a country that has been (and some would argue still is) both culturally and systemically prejudiced against your race.

Fair enough.

I respect your opinion and I believe we want the same goal however we branch off a little in the application.

It's the last I will say on the subject except I have enjoyed the debate it has been good.

See you around the forum.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by Simple Minds

Course it wouldn't insult me, I am not a woman.


So what your saying is I have to live in a country where I am in a minority to be a victim of racism?

Nope. I'm saying what offends you is likely to be different to what offends someone with a different experience of life.

[DanaC]

But to go back to the OP: I don't think it's the be all and end all of someone if they have racist views, or have acted in a racist way. Not saying it doesn't colour () my opinion of them, but people are complex and people can and do change their views in life.

I am not much drawn to him though...regardless of this issue. He just doesn't interest me particularly as a person. But we'll see how it goes. maybe he'll turn out to be funny and warm...

[CaudleHalbard]

I have a feeling Ron is still trying to alter public perception of him. His appearance on Celebrity Wife Swap didn't work well with him in denial basically.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

I have a feeling Ron is still trying to alter public perception of him. His appearance on Celebrity Wife Swap didn't work well with him in denial basically.

I didn't see the WifeSwap. I might see if I can find a clip on Youtube.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

Me and an Asian lad at school always used to call each other racist names as a joke and laughed about it.No offence was taken on either side.

Oh I don't doubt it. This stuiff is almost always contextual.

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by DanaC

I didn't see the WifeSwap. I might see if I can find a clip on Youtube.

It was a black woman he was paired with, as I recall.

[DanaC]

Ouch. Didn't go very well then?



I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say i don't expect he has very modern views on women either?

[MeMyselfAndI]

I don't like him

[Ellen]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

It was a black woman he was paired with, as I recall.

I think it was Tessa Sanderson who he was paired with on Wife Swap.

[Fosse]

The man is a moron.

[Kazanne]

My great grandma used to have a black dog called n***a,that just wouldn't be allowed now

[CaudleHalbard]

Originally Posted by DanaC

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say i don't expect he has very modern views on women either?

As I vaguely recall Ron's takes the "woman's place is in the kitchen" line on gender roles!

[MeMyselfAndI]

What makes me laugh though, are fans of Ron's judge Courtney, an 18 year old girl

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

As I vaguely recall Ron's takes the "woman's place is in the kitchen" line on gender roles!

Yeah. I thought that might be the case

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

My great grandma used to have a black dog called n***a,that just wouldn't be allowed now

Oh Dear, Imagine shouting that in the park

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

I have a feeling Ron is still trying to alter public perception of him. His appearance on Celebrity Wife Swap didn't work well with him in denial basically.

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

It was a black woman he was paired with, as I recall.

Originally Posted by Ellen

I think it was Tessa Sanderson who he was paired with on Wife Swap.

..yeah, that was a big part of it for me as well that he didn't seem to be particularly bothered and refused to talk about it with Tessa..it was his wife who listened to what Tessa's partner had to say and then explained it to Ron, he seemed to realise a little more but I wasn't even convinced that he did completely...he just seemed to be really closed and blinkered in his views and wouldn't even listen to anyone else...

Originally Posted by MeMyselfAndI

What makes me laugh though, are fans of Ron's judge Courtney, an 18 year old girl

..yeah, I do agree about Courtney..she's being judged because she married a much older guy..?...that doesn't make any sense to me either...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by DanaC

I didn't see the WifeSwap. I might see if I can find a clip on Youtube.

..I've just had a look for you and I can't find it on Youtube, Dana but I'm sure you'll be able to watch it somewhere online....

[Lozzibear]

No, I don't think he is racist.

[BBfan46]

He made a racist comment and meant it to offend. We have to acknowledge the difference in era and maybe it was an unfortunate slip.

I don't think he views other races as lesser. As others have said, he probably just holds archaic, stereotypical views.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by CaudleHalbard

Being called "white trash" by a posh black person might offend you?

It all depends on context... the reference to your racial characteristics could, arguably, add to the offence?

Like Jackson did with Jade Goody ? but ALL accepted ,but Jade got hounded for her"racism"

[Videostar]

BIG Ron has done more to promote black players in The English Game than anyone, you ask any of the players of colour who played under him and they'll all defend him and tell you that he is no racist.

[Ryan57]

We've all said silly things that we later regretted. He's managed black players in his managerial career.