[bbfan1991]

The Church of England and Church in Wales will be banned in law from offering same-sex marriages, the government announces.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20680924

[Marcus.]

oh ok

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Shining Star

oh ok

This.

[Jack_]

Not good enough.

But then Rome wasn't built in a day. These delusional fools time will come eventually.

[Redway]

Ridiculous but I really wish people would stop treating this issue as if it's extremely important and I don't know why people are acting surprised. Religious institutions in general are known for being full of hate and homophobia so I wouldn't be surprised if the CofE plans to remain like this.

[InOne]

I don't get why Gay people would want to get married in a Church. If they're Christian they know very well the views of the Church on sexuality. It seems as if the ones who want it are probably the types who pick and choose the 'nice' bits of their Religion.

[Redway]

Exactly. This "pick and mix" notion is what pisses me off the most. You can't just cherry pick what bits of a religion you want to follow and ignore the other doctrines just because you don't like them. Bottom line is if you're not going to follow all Christianity (for example) then you don't need to bother claiming to be a Christian at all. The Bible makes itself very clear on its views on homosexuality and if you want gay marriage then you're not a Christian.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by Scouse Prezzie

Exactly. This "pick and mix" notion is what pisses me off the most. You can't just cherry pick what bits of a religion you want to follow and ignore the other doctrines just because you don't like them. Bottom line is if you're not going to follow all Christianity (for example) then you don't need to bother claiming to be a Christian at all. The Bible makes itself very clear on its views on homosexuality and if you want gay marriage then you're not a Christian.

With all due respect, this is bollocks.

The whole point of religion is to take from it what you want.. It's not a load of rules set in stone. 100 people could read the bible and get 100 different messages from it. Everyone has their own interpretation of the stuff religion is made of. Some go to church regularly, some never do. Some read the bible regularly, some never do.

Who the hell are you to decide what criteria you must meet in order to be classed 'Christian'.

Not all Christians are raging homophobes.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lily.

With all due respect, this is bollocks.

The whole point of religion is to take from it what you want.. It's not a load of rules set in stone. 100 people could read the bible and get 100 different messages from it. Everyone has their own interpretation of the stuff religion is made of. Some go to church regularly, some never do. Some read the bible regularly, some never do.

Who the hell are you to decide what criteria you must meet in order to be classed 'Christian'.

Not all Christians are raging homophobes.

They Sound It on Radio and TV News.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by lily.

With all due respect, this is bollocks.

The whole point of religion is to take from it what you want.. It's not a load of rules set in stone. 100 people could read the bible and get 100 different messages from it. Everyone has their own interpretation of the stuff religion is made of. Some go to church regularly, some never do. Some read the bible regularly, some never do.

Who the hell are you to decide what criteria you must meet in order to be classed 'Christian'.

Not all Christians are raging homophobes.

I'm not saying that all Christians are raging homophobes (as you put it) but it is very clear that homosexuality goes against the church's teachings. It's there for all to see in black and white.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by lily.

With all due respect, this is bollocks.

The whole point of religion is to take from it what you want.. It's not a load of rules set in stone. 100 people could read the bible and get 100 different messages from it. Everyone has their own interpretation of the stuff religion is made of. Some go to church regularly, some never do. Some read the bible regularly, some never do.

Who the hell are you to decide what criteria you must meet in order to be classed 'Christian'.

Not all Christians are raging homophobes.

What I was going to post, pretty much.

The Bible and the entire umbrella of Christian faith - like most religious and spiritual traditions - is a wide and complicated smorgasbord of alternating views held roughly together by a general theme and set of basic conventions.

It's how religions work. They build up, evolve - devolve even - and branch off. This idea that it is only the ultra dogmatic Bible bashers who qualify for their own faith is facetious and absurd. They themselves pick and choose bits of The Bible.

And what of The Bible? It's not all that was written. Plenty was edited out or never included to begin with. Lost gospels and gnostic traditions galore - available at the click of a mouse.

Most peoples spirituality is generally dependent on faith in a cherry picked set of beliefs the adherent has felt best represents their own world view. So what? It's how it works.

I don't believe any of it myself but I certainly know there is no rigidly defined set of rules as to how it should work.

[Z]

Originally Posted by Scouse Prezzie

Exactly. This "pick and mix" notion is what pisses me off the most. You can't just cherry pick what bits of a religion you want to follow and ignore the other doctrines just because you don't like them. Bottom line is if you're not going to follow all Christianity (for example) then you don't need to bother claiming to be a Christian at all. The Bible makes itself very clear on its views on homosexuality and if you want gay marriage then you're not a Christian.

I do agree with you and InOne, but I think it must be very difficult for a gay Christian person to come to terms with that moral dilemma, because usually if you're of a religion, you've been raised with it so it's a huge part of your life, for all of your life. I think you would have to come to a compromise, in your head, between being okay with being homosexual and still trying to stick to your Christian values - so I think that's why it's such an important issue for some people. Why should they be forced out of something because of their sexuality? Yeah you can argue that it's a choice and no one's forcing them to be Christian, but, like I said, if you were raised that way, it would be very difficult to walk away from it - I imagine that religious teachings would shape the way you view the world, dictate how you act in some scenarios etc...

Anyway, not being of a religion myself, I don't really have much of an opinion on this either way, just playing devil's advocate really...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Scrooge

I don't get why Gay people would want to get married in a Church. If they're Christian they know very well the views of the Church on sexuality. It seems as if the ones who want it are probably the types who pick and choose the 'nice' bits of their Religion.

Pick and Mix


There is Enough Labour , Libs and some Conservatives
to get this through.


What do the Curch Folk want a War?
Because they sound like they will Die for this
as they do want Gays in their crib

[Irene Pearson]

Originally Posted by arista

Pick and Mix


There is Enough Labour , Libs and some Conservatives
to get this through.


What do the Curch Folk want a War?
Because they sound like they will Die for this
as they do want Gays in their crib

Yup and its called Christianity. Someone should research the meaning of the word and not stick like glue to man made severely outmoded criteria. Why are churches empty??? HA

[arista]

All Today On the news
is Fecking Church People


Times Change - Deal with it

[MTVN]

I think it's good news, by allowing the CofE not to conduct same sex marriage ceremonies it opens the way for it's more widespread legalisation, there's little point trying to force them to change their beliefs and impose it on them

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by King Moonracer

I think it's good news, by allowing the CofE not to conduct same sex marriage ceremonies it opens the way for it's more widespread legalisation, there's little point trying to force them to change their beliefs and impose it on them

I absolutely agree with you.

[Ninastar]

I can understand why, and it makes me sad that people will now have unnecessary hate towards religious people.

[arista]

Originally Posted by NativityStar

I can understand why, and it makes me sad that people will now have unnecessary hate towards religious people.

No its Hate For Gays


Less care about Church Now


As there Ain't No God

[Redway]

Originally Posted by arista

No its Hate For Gays


Less care about Church Now


As there Ain't No God

No offense, but why do you always say that? Whilst the idea of Christianity and all that is just nonsense, you can't prove or disprove that there may be some outer force out there.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Scouse Prezzie

No offense, but why do you always say that? Whilst the idea of Christianity and all that is just nonsense, you can't prove or disprove that there may be some outer force out there.

There are less going To Church



Yes I understand No One Can Prove God
Thats Why there is No God.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by arista

There are less going To Church



Yes I understand No One Can Prove God
Thats Why there is No God.

You can't disprove God either though....

[lily.]

Empty vessels make the most noise arista.

[Livia]

I really don't understand it. Why would people want to be married in a church knowing that it goes against that church's teachings? You want to be a member of a church, but you want to change what their beliefs are. Divorced people can't marry in many churches, I don't see anyone demanding an Act of Parliament for them. People can't marry in a synagogue if one of them isn't a Jew but they seem to manage without feeling marginalised and demanding a change in the law. I think the vast majority of people would support civil marriages for gay people, and if you're religious, have your church bless you. Many churches do this already, mostly for divorced people.

[Marsh.]

Arista clearly doesn't believe in any God whatsoever.

You say you believe in A God but apparently not a "religious one".

Neither opinion is more valid than the other one because you have no more proof organised religions are wrong than arista has of there being no God at all.

Thus, it's hypocritical to tell him he can't dismiss God altogether.