[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I haven't heard of any, I was just reading this article it's very interesting

https://theconversation.com/why-self...r-gender-57924

Did you not watch Deana's series of big brother? What do you think Luke A (the winner) was before a man that identified as a man?!

[Vicky.]

Luke was actually transsexual though. Big difference between being transsexual and simply 'identifying' as the opposite sex.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Luke was actually transsexual though. Big difference between being transsexual and simply 'identifying' as the opposite sex.

Cheers sis... I mean cis

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Cheers sis... I mean cis

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Luke was actually transsexual though. Big difference between being transsexual and simply 'identifying' as the opposite sex.

I'd imagine most that 'identify' as the opposite sex either want to, or plan to have a sex change... unless they're being willfully obnoxious to make some sort of point..

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'd imagine most that 'identify' as the opposite sex either want to, or plan to have a sex change... unless they're being willfully obnoxious to make some sort of point..

Well not really some people like to appear as the opposite sex without ever fully transitioning don't they?

Transexuals, transvestites..

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Well not really some people like to appear as the opposite sex without ever fully transitioning don't they?

Transexuals, transvestites..

I mean, a transexual is defined by the fact that they transistion their sex? So..
Do transvestites identify as the other sex? I dont know much about them tbf. Seems retro.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I mean, a transexual is defined by the fact that they transistion their sex? So..
Do transvestites identify as the other sex? I dont know much about them tbf. Seems retro.

According to stonewalls definition of trans, transvestites are included. Along with drag queens, masculine women, feminine men, and so on. Thats what I mean by 'transgender' is a useless term. I am classed as bloody trans.

There is a huge difference between someone under the huge 'transgender' umbrella, and someone who is actually transsexual.

And yes, a lot of transvestites say they are women and want access to womens spaces...part of the fetish I guess for some. And many 'normal' guys just claim to 'feel like' women and expect others to play along.These kinds of people are who I want to keep out. Not transsexuals.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

I mean, a transexual is defined by the fact that they transistion their sex? So..
Do transvestites identify as the other sex? I dont know much about them tbf. Seems retro.

they don't all fully transition it's personal choice isn't it?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'd imagine most that 'identify' as the opposite sex either want to, or plan to have a sex change... unless they're being willfully obnoxious to make some sort of point..

You would be wrong. Thats kind of the point of the protests. 'Trans' is a useless term and means nowt. Sex segregated areas are segregated by sex, not 'gender'. Transsexuals, fine. Any bloke saying he is a woman(usually claiming to be a lesbian too)...nope

[Crimson Dynamo]

if i was in charge of a leisure centre it would be cocks in there and fannies in there

any other bother and your banned

end of

[Alf]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if i was in charge of a leisure centre it would be cocks in there and fannies in there

any other bother and your banned

end of

Sounds like a sane, common sense system to me.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

if i was in charge of a leisure centre it would be cocks in there and fannies in there

any other bother and your banned

end of

This is how things should be really isn't it. Signs on the doors 'penis people this way' 'vulva people that way'. Would be a lot easier. though tbh, male and female are the same thing really. No idea how so many cannot understand that it is separated by bloody sex, not some random feeling in your head. Once someone has actually transitioned, fair enough. But until then, no penises in female spaces.

[Alf]

Would you be happy for Harvey Wienstein to have access to the female changing room, if he decided to transition?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Alf

Would you be happy for Harvey Wienstein to have access to the female changing room, if he decided to transition?

Good question! There are lots of Weinsteins out there.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Good question! There are lots of Weinsteins out there.

Its people like that who will take advantage of businesses adopting this self ID thing.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Alf

Would you be happy for Harvey Wienstein to have access to the female changing room, if he decided to transition?

Well lesbian sex offenders would be allowed in the bathroom? And gay sex offenders would be allowed in yours? Not much you can do to stop that?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well lesbian sex offenders would be allowed in the bathroom? And gay sex offenders would be allowed in yours? Not much you can do to stop that?

what does someones sexuality have to do with it? Lesbians are still women. And as such, are welcome in womens spaces, obviously. not sure what point you are trying to prove here but its coming across slightly homophobic tbh

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

what does someones sexuality have to do with it? Lesbians are still women. And as such, are welcome in womens spaces, obviously. not sure what point you are trying to prove here but its coming across slightly homophobic tbh

I'm sure his point was Harvey Weinstein is a pervert and could have access to that bathroom? When theres not much you can do about sex offenders using bathrooms, even without that bizarre example. Heterosexual sex offenders probably wont have much interest in offending in that environment.

I was responding to an odd point with an odd point!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

I'm sure his point was Harvey Weinstein is a pervert and could have access to that bathroom? When theres not much you can do about it even without that bizarre example. Heterosexual sex offenders probably wont have much interest in offending in that environment.

I was responding to an odd point with an odd point!

I don't really think the point you replied to was odd at all. There is plenty you could do about it. make womens spaces penis free. Job done.

Fairly sure this hypothetical example was not...he had a sex change, just he decided to 'identify' as a woman, as many sex offenders will actually do. Which is part of the problem tbh, anyone can sere how this will be abused.

Men offend at a much higher rate than women, that cannot be argued against. The average man could overpower the average woman easily. So, if a male sex offender decided he was a woman, would you be happy with him going in womens spaces? Even knowing what he is?

Its nothing to do with lesbians or sexuality. Its about basically, do you prioritize the safety of women, or the feelings of men. Its an either or kind of thing. Which is unfortunate. But its how it is.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Well lesbian sex offenders would be allowed in the bathroom? And gay sex offenders would be allowed in yours? Not much you can do to stop that?

If you think lesbian offenders number anywhere near male offenders you need a reality check. Not to mention women have a far better chance of fighting off other women than they do men.

I don’t think you have given the whole issue any real thought other than to blindly defend the ‘principle’ of men having it all.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

If you think lesbian offenders number anywhere near male offenders you need a reality check. Not to mention women have a far better chance of fighting off other women than they do men.

I don’t think you have given the whole issue any real thought other than to blindly defend the ‘principle’ of men having it all.

Well thats not at all what I said.

[AnnieK]

A lot of the leisure centres I use near me have 3 changing rooms, male, female and unisex/family which is better people can choose and its easier for me now as my son is 7 (going on 17) and no longer wants to be in female changing rooms and I don't want him to go into the male changing room on his own (as much because he will dick about rather than getting changed). Adding a third choice would make it easier for anyone transitioning as they will not be classed as being in the "wrong" changing room and for people who want to be comfortable that they are in a single sex environment

[Vicky.]

I genuinely do not think that acknowledging that a male person is male is transphobic. Lauren acknowledges her sex. She had operations to ease the dysphoria, but an actual sex change is not possible, and everyone knows this.

I don't 'see her' as a man. But I do acknowledge she is male.

I cannot think of a racist analogy here, but saying, a black person is black, is not racist. Saying a gay person is gay is not homophobic.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I genuinely do not think that acknowledging that a male person is male is transphobic. .

What sort of comments do you think people were thinking about when they mentioned yours (and other peoples) transphobia.

Its stuff like that above "acknowledging a male person is a male". Clearly she is not a male, does not want to be seen as one, and does not want to live as one. Calling her one is transphobic. Its refusing to accept her as a her, and it is ignorant.