[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

If you watch the video and it does come across as quite rude tbf, I was of the opinion before watching the video that it was probably relevant to what they were discussing and it is relevant in a way but the way she said it seemed more snappy and not matter fact or a point in her argument. Regardless though I don't think she should be dropped from the show for stating a fact either

It's not really a fact though, because it was a whole statement not just "you used to be a boy".

Saying "you used to be a boy so you should know" is obviously not "a fact"... It's utter nonsense... It doesn't even make sense. "You used to be male so you should be an expert on patriarchy!"

So basically, transphobic or not, it is 100% strawman and clearly intended to be cutting / offensive, rather than having anything to do with what was being debated.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's not really a fact though, because it was a whole statement not just "you used to be a boy".

Saying "you used to be a boy so you should know" is obviously not "a fact"... It's utter nonsense... It doesn't even make sense. "You used to be male so you should be an expert on patriarchy!"

So basically, transphobic or not, it is 100% strawman and clearly intended to be cutting / offensive, rather than having anything to do with what was being debated.

Well yeah that's basically what I said in my post though The part of the what she said that caused offense was the You used to be a boy bit and that is a fact.

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well yeah that's basically what I said in my post though The part of the what she said that caused offense was the You used to be a boy bit and that is a fact.

Well yes, but that's only relevant if we're saying that "anything true is fine" and no one should be fired from a show for saying anything so long as it's true.

I mean, I can't imagine that someone who said "You are fat and have a huge nose and your breath smells like actual dog ****" to a guest would get to keep their job just because all of those things happened to be factually accurate .

Basically I think if someone says something with the obvious INTENT of causing upset, then it doesn't really matter whether or not it's "just a fact". In fact, often it's worse if it IS the truth.

Tl;Dr preying on someone's insecurities to deliberately upset them isn't OK just because the thing they're insecure about is true.

[Jordan.]

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[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well yes, but that's only relevant if we're saying that "anything true is fine" and no one should be fired from a show for saying anything so long as it's true.

I mean, I can't imagine that someone who said "You are fat and have a huge nose and your breath smells like actual dog ****" to a guest would get to keep their job just because all of those things happened to be factually accurate .

Basically I think if someone says something with the obvious INTENT of causing upset, then it doesn't really matter whether or not it's "just a fact". In fact, often it's worse if it IS the truth.

Tl;Dr preying on someone's insecurities to deliberately upset them isn't OK just because the thing they're insecure about is true.

fair enough, I see your point.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Basically I think if someone says something with the obvious INTENT of causing upset, then it doesn't really matter whether or not it's "just a fact". In fact, often it's worse if it IS the truth.

Tl;Dr preying on someone's insecurities to deliberately upset them isn't OK just because the thing they're insecure about is true.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

What a ridiculous reach.

Anne doesn't represent everyone with Aspergers and guess what? People with Aspergers can be arseholes regardless of their condition. She didn't say it as a blunt fact, she said it to be rude because she was losing the argument

That being said, I don't think what she said was particularly transphobic, she was being an arsehole but I wouldn't say she's transphobic just based on that.

My thoughts exactly.

edited to add, I don't think she should actually lose her job over it though. I do think she was trying to shut down Paris and it was very rude and unnecessary, but her judgement over choosing to say it/knowing how hurtful it might be, was most likely affected by her aspergers, so the show should show leniency.

Originally Posted by Brillopad

She is entitled to her opinions. It isn't for anyone to PC her.

Although she only said it in the first place because she was trying to shut down Paris' opinion because it opposed hers.