[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So what, LT, I haven't claimed otherwise?

thats right

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

thats right

Well I'd hardly make it up, would I . My point is that I could have claimed to be pretty much anything and no one would really be able to say otherwise... so, accepting someone's opinion on a forum as being superior because of what they "claim to be", over and above any other factor, is a pretty daft move.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well I'd hardly make it up, would I . My point is that I could have claimed to be pretty much anything and no one would really be able to say otherwise... so, accepting someone's opinion on a forum as being superior because of what they "claim to be", over and above any other factor, is a pretty daft move.

perhaps but then we sometimes speak to people out with the forum confines..

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Well I'd hardly make it up, would I . My point is that I could have claimed to be pretty much anything and no one would really be able to say otherwise... so, accepting someone's opinion on a forum as being superior because of what they "claim to be", over and above any other factor, is a pretty daft move.

Nor would Livia, T.S. and I can 10,000% GUARANTEE that Liv is not only what she purports to be but is FAR, FAR more.

As for: "accepting someone's opinion on a forum as being superior because of what they "claim to be": I think that could have been better worded because it is more a case of; 'being more inclined to accept the opinion of someone who has great expertise in the relevant field than accepting the word opinion of someone who does not'.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

perhaps but then we sometimes speak to people out with the forum confines..

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Nor would Livia, T.S. and I can 10,000% GUARANTEE that Liv is not only what she purports to be but is FAR, FAR more.

Fair, but again, this is extra knowledge that you (both) happen to have and, again, you can't expect other members not privvy to such "extra information" to simply accept it as being true. So while it might lend extra weight to posts for you and for others with this information, you can't reasonably expect it to do the same for those who don't.

As for: "accepting someone's opinion on a forum as being superior because of what they "claim to be": I think that could have been better worded because it is more a case of; 'being more inclined to accept the opinion of someone who has great expertise in the relevant field than accepting the word opinion of someone who does not'.

Again that's fair (taking into consideration the above) but I would still counter that while it does lend extra weight to what someone has to say, there are VERY few people in the world who are "infallible experts" and, also, people have their own political leanings etc. that will feed into their assessment of something like this... especially on an informal forum where no one is expected to behave professionally or be neutral.

TBH in this case, it's surely a case of "LT's usual stance on US cop stuff" - NONE of us have the full story on why Robinson was arrested... so, qualifications are sort of irrelevant... and we should surely just trust that the people who are both qualified AND in full possession of the facts have made the right call . After all... Tommy has made a fair mint from his social media celebrity, so I have no doubt that he has his own highly qualified lawyers fighting his corner.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Nor would Livia, T.S. and I can 10,000% GUARANTEE that Liv is not only what she purports to be but is FAR, FAR more.

As for: "accepting someone's opinion on a forum as being superior because of what they "claim to be": I think that could have been better worded because it is more a case of; 'being more inclined to accept the opinion of someone who has great expertise in the relevant field than accepting the word opinion of someone who does not'.

But that's just as meaningless as saying 'I'm a _____, I know more about this than you.'

If you have expert knowledge in any field and you want to use it as an advantage in an argument then you need to show that expert knowledge, not just tell people you have it.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But that's just as meaningless as saying 'I'm a _____, I know more about this than you.'

If you have expert knowledge in any field and you want to use it as an advantage in an argument then you need to show that expert knowledge, not just tell people you have it.

And yes, again, this. Even a doctor when making a diagnosis will tell the patient (and indeed, is professionally obligated to tell the patient) what has lead to that diagnosis. They show the scans, explain the terminology, what it all means. They don't say "You have cancer, just trust me, I'm a doctor."

[bots]

Former English Defence League (EDL) leader Tommy Robinson has been jailed for potentially prejudicing a court case, it can be reported.

Robinson, who appeared in the dock under real name Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, was arrested in Leeds on Friday.

The 35-year-old was broadcasting on social media outside the city's crown court where a trial was ongoing.

A ban on reporting his 13-month sentence at the same court was lifted after being challenged by the media.

Robinson was livestreaming via his Facebook page when he was arrested for a suspected breach of the peace outside the court.

Prison warning
Judge Geoffrey Marson QC initially imposed restrictions for fear that reporting his arrest would prejudice an ongoing trial.

The lifting of the court order followed protests outside Downing Street over the weekend.

Robinson was already subject to a suspended sentence for a contempt charge related to a separate case in Canterbury.

At the earlier sentencing hearing, the judge warned him he should expect to go to prison if he committed further offences.

Robinson founded the far-right EDL in 2009.

It became known for its street marches and demonstrations in towns and cities before he quit the group in 2013.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-44287640

[Niamh.]

Former English Defence League (EDL) leader Tommy Robinson has been jailed for potentially prejudicing a court case, it can be reported.

So basically people knowing that Muslims were involved was more important than justice for the victims?

[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/tommy-rob...rders-11389226

Another news thread on it , at last.


He should have got someone else to film it,
its his own fault.

[arista]

"So basically people knowing that Muslims were involved was more important than justice for the victims?"

For sure Niamh

[Niamh.]

back on topic please

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes because Dezzy and Livia have the same posting style and modus operandi..

They're more similar than different tbh.

Anyway, I was specifically talking about this;

"portray yourself as some kind of ‘expert’ in the field whilst labelling the majority of people as ‘ignorant’ on the issue".

And yes I have seen Dezzy do this regarding media as Brillo says, and Livia does it a lot when it comes to anything law-related. In fact plenty of members have done it; myself included with my expert bookies knowledge tyvm and 3/4 of a Psychology degree .

I'm coming down on the side of "it's not really ok", if I have to throw my hat into the ring. This is a BB forum, basically a chat down the pub, and it just frankly doesn't matter to me that much what people do outside of this forum when it comes to that opinions on things discussed here. If we're talking about objective FACTS relating to someone's area of expertise then that's another matter, e.g. if someone said "that's illegal and u'll go 2 jail!" and Livia was to say "Actually it's not technically illegal..." then that's worth paying attention to. Or if Vicky says "There is no physical difference between male and female brains what nonsense!" and a biopsych extraordinaire like myself says "There's a tonne of research that says otherwise", obviously everyone should listen. Or OK to use a more realistic example... I am actually good at my job so if I say "that's not how odds work..." that's worth listening to. If I say "Nah, Bob will never win, trust me I'm a bookie"... that means no more than the opinion of the next person.

But when it comes to personal opinions... no, it doesn't matter if Dezzy has education in media, or if Livia is a lawyer, or if arista is a top manager.

[kirklancaster]

I wondered how long it would be.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

back on topic please

I didn't see this before I posted, scouts honour

[Oliver_W]

What is Dezzy's source of media brilliance, did he take Film Studies or something?

On topic bit: Ohh Robinson has been sentenced!!11one

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But that's just as meaningless as saying 'I'm a _____, I know more about this than you.'

If you have expert knowledge in any field and you want to use it as an advantage in an argument then you need to show that expert knowledge, not just tell people you have it.

Where’s your ‘expert’ knowledge on the media - something you constantly imply - but have never yet produced any evidence for!

[Brillopad]

Where’s My previous post in response to a post of Dezzy’s? What was wrong with it ? Are we no longer allowed to point out the hypocricy in a mod’s words? Dictatorship or what!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

But that's just as meaningless as saying 'I'm a _____, I know more about this than you.'

If you have expert knowledge in any field and you want to use it as an advantage in an argument then you need to show that expert knowledge, not just tell people you have it.

Oh yes? And how do you propose that happens? Would you like me to post a pic of my degree? Or perhaps my CV? And does that apply to everyone? Or just me?

What a load of nonsense...

[Niamh.]

Look I'm just saying when the big lamination and book binding debate starts in here, you are all ****ed

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Look I'm just saying when the big lamination and book binding debate starts in here, you are all ****ed

LOL...

I hope you have evidence Niamh... we wouldn't want people to think you were just glory-chasing.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

LOL...

I hope you have evidence Niamh... we wouldn't want people to think you were just glory-chasing.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Look I'm just saying when the big lamination and book binding debate starts in here, you are all ****ed

Dictatorship then! !

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oh yes? And how do you propose that happens? Would you like me to post a pic of my degree? Or perhaps my CV? And does that apply to everyone? Or just me?

Not to speak for Dezzy here but I think what he means is, it's important for people to say "I'm trained as X and that's not how it works..." but then with a follow up explanation of how it DOES work (which may well be interesting and educational, and actually convince people) rather than a "lol no, that's not how it works, just trust me I'm trained as X, been doing it for years" but with no attempt to explain WHY it isn't accurate... or to say what IS accurate.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Dictatorship then! !

I'm here for it, I actually really enjoy laminating stuff... it's oddly satisfying... we even got a little laminator for work to laminate flags for the world cup .

I would post pictures but I'm worried that Niamh will judge my non-expert attempt. It's not even around the edges at all .