[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's the inherent strawman of this entire debate all across the internet though; the false claim that anyone who doesn't like or takes issue with the song/lyrics either thinks women don't enjoy sex, or that they shouldn't enjoy sex, or that they shouldn't express an enjoyment of sex. When of course, obviously, very few people are actually saying that but hey it's easier to pretend than to actually discuss the criticisms that are raised, I suppose.

Spot on.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's the inherent strawman of this entire debate all across the internet though; the false claim that anyone who doesn't like or takes issue with the song/lyrics either thinks women don't enjoy sex, or that they shouldn't enjoy sex, or that they shouldn't express an enjoyment of sex. When of course, obviously, very few people are actually saying that but hey it's easier to pretend than to actually discuss the criticisms that are raised, I suppose.

And it isn't a strawman that you have just projected that into the conversation...where's the inference that anyone has suggested that?

Personally I clearly reacted to your 'new misogyny' comparison and the comparisons to porn made by Russell Brand.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And it isn't a strawman that you have just projected that into the conversation...where's the inference that anyone has suggested that?

Personally I clearly reacted to your 'new misogyny' comparison and the comparisons to porn made by Russell Brand.

‘WAP’ Is Making People Uncomfortable Because It’s About Female Pleasure...


Unless you’re living under a rock that can’t connect to Spotify, you’ve likely heard the Cardi B and Megan Thee Stallion song “WAP,” or at least the discussion around it. It’s boastful and explicit in a way that’s consistent with a lot of rap music. But what’s made it so huge immediately following its release, and what opens it up to criticism from fearful men of all political inclinations, is how candid and explicit it is about female desire.

And the jist of every other article about WAP that's been posted to the thread .

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

And the jist of every other article about WAP that's been posted to the thread .

So you read into that quote that because that's what the songs about it means all those that are 'uncomfortable' with a song about female pleasure its because the person doesnt think women shouldn't enjoy/ sing about sex? That's a bit of a reach.

I took it to mean they were uncomfortable that it couldn't be pigeon holed as easy as some. So they render it tittilation or new misogyny.

[Niamh.]

Back on topic please (the topic isn't Kizzy and Marsh)

[Marsh.]

Thank you Niamh.