[arista]

Feck You Windsor
I do not wear one.


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[bots]

i whole heartedly support the armed forces, but I will never again wear a poppy.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i whole heartedly support the armed forces, but I will never again wear a poppy.

Why would you never again wear a poppy?

[bots]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Why would you never again wear a poppy?

because I don't agree that the services should have to rely on charity, and the longer that people continue to contribute, the less likely that government will be forced to accept their responsibility. Of course I want servicemen and families treated well, but charity is not the solution.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

because I don't agree that the services should have to rely on charity, and the longer that people continue to contribute, the less likely that government will be forced to accept their responsibility. Of course I want servicemen and families treated well, but charity is not the solution.

I never looked at it that way, it puts a whole new light on the issue.
Thanks for that bitontheslide.Good point really.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

because I don't agree that the services should have to rely on charity, and the longer that people continue to contribute, the less likely that government will be forced to accept their responsibility. Of course I want servicemen and families treated well, but charity is not the solution.

..I kind of don't have that faith in the Government if I'm honest, even with charity donations, some ex service people end their days in poverty...

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

because I don't agree that the services should have to rely on charity, and the longer that people continue to contribute, the less likely that government will be forced to accept their responsibility. Of course I want servicemen and families treated well, but charity is not the solution.

And what should those ex-service people who need support do while we're waiting for the government to step up?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Livia

And what should those ex-service people who need support do while we're waiting for the government to step up?

The government should commit a certain level of funding which matches/exceeds that raised by the charity, then as the charity is phased out, the government funding takes up the slack

[Niamh.]

Listen to Barbara Windsor telling people what they have to wear, you feck off Barbara

[Cherie]

Maybe she should put her money where her mouth is and stand on a street selling them then, personal choice Barbara which is what conflict has gifted us.

[Northern Monkey]

I wear one but i would'nt ever go to Babs for fashion advice

[Tom4784]

I donate money to the charity but I refuse to wear a poppy, It's a symbol that's become less about remembering the dead and more about saying 'Oh, look at me, I'm wearing a poppy, aren't I wonderful and kind?' and belittling anyone who doesn't think the same. Every time someone on Facebook shares a picture of a poppy with the caption 'THIS PICTURE HAS BEEN TAKEN OWN X AMOUNT OF TIMES, SHARE THE HELL OUT OF IT' I die a little inside.

I like poppies and what they stand for, but I simply hate people for turning them into a self absorbed status symbol.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I donate money to the charity but I refuse to wear a poppy, It's a symbol that's become less about remembering the dead and more about saying 'Oh, look at me, I'm wearing a poppy, aren't I wonderful and kind?' and belittling anyone who doesn't think the same. Every time someone on Facebook shares a picture of a poppy with the caption 'THIS PICTURE HAS BEEN TAKEN OWN X AMOUNT OF TIMES, SHARE THE HELL OUT OF IT' I die a little inside.

I like poppies and what they stand for, but I simply hate people for turning them into a self absorbed status symbol.

I agree. I always donate but never wear one.

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Firewire

I agree. I always donate but never wear one.

Same here, although I might take a sticker and stick it on living room wall.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I donate money to the charity but I refuse to wear a poppy, It's a symbol that's become less about remembering the dead and more about saying 'Oh, look at me, I'm wearing a poppy, aren't I wonderful and kind?' and belittling anyone who doesn't think the same. Every time someone on Facebook shares a picture of a poppy with the caption 'THIS PICTURE HAS BEEN TAKEN OWN X AMOUNT OF TIMES, SHARE THE HELL OUT OF IT' I die a little inside.

I like poppies and what they stand for, but I simply hate people for turning them into a self absorbed status symbol.

[2]

Wearing one is like proclaiming I've done my bit.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I donate money to the charity but I refuse to wear a poppy, It's a symbol that's become less about remembering the dead and more about saying 'Oh, look at me, I'm wearing a poppy, aren't I wonderful and kind?' and belittling anyone who doesn't think the same. Every time someone on Facebook shares a picture of a poppy with the caption 'THIS PICTURE HAS BEEN TAKEN OWN X AMOUNT OF TIMES, SHARE THE HELL OUT OF IT' I die a little inside.

I like poppies and what they stand for, but I simply hate people for turning them into a self absorbed status symbol.

Spot on.

The self-righteousness of some people about it is ridiculous.

Also, she might want to remember her trysts with gangsters, extramarital affair and 5 abortions before judging others simply for not wearing a poppy. I know which I think is worse.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Spot on.

The self-righteousness of some people about it is ridiculous.

Also, she might want to remember her trysts with gangsters, extramarital affair and 5 abortions before judging others simply for not wearing a poppy. I know which I think is worse.

What the hell has Barbara Windsor's abortions got to do with supporting our troops. What's it got to do with anything, come to that? What's even more self-righteous is to choose not to support our troops because some celebrity has pissed you off.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Livia

What the hell has Barbara Windsor's abortions got to do with supporting our troops.What's it got to do with anything, come to that? What's even more self-righteous is to choose not to support our troops because some celebrity has pissed you off.

Um, you're someone I've always respected and gotten along with fine so I'd appreciate it if you wound your neck in and didn't bite my head off for posting my viewpoint. Especially if you're going to completely twist my words to suit whatever agenda it is your pushing.

Where in my post did I even suggest I "choose not to support troops". Please do find evidence of that because that's a really bloody insulting assumption to make with no evidence.

As for me referencing her past, my whole point is that it's ridiculous to make such a harsh judgement on someone for not wearing a poppy (and yes, the suggestion that people don't care about the troops if they don't wear a poppy is moronic) when you're hardly Mother Theresa. I have no qualms with judging someone who chooses to judge me.

Gosh, I always had you down as someone to have rational and respectful debate with and capable of having a debate without flying off the handle. We all make mistakes, I suppose.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Um, you're someone I've always respected and gotten along with fine so I'd appreciate it if you wound your neck in and didn't bite my head off for posting my viewpoint. Especially if you're going to completely twist my words to suit whatever agenda it is your pushing.

Where in my post did I even suggest I "choose not to support troops". Please do find evidence of that because that's a really bloody insulting assumption to make with no evidence.

As for me referencing her past, my whole point is that it's ridiculous to make such a harsh judgement on someone for not wearing a poppy (and yes, the suggestion that people don't care about the troops if they don't wear a poppy is moronic) when you're hardly Mother Theresa. I have no qualms with judging someone who chooses to judge me.

Gosh, I always had you down as someone to have rational and respectful debate with. We all make mistakes, I suppose.

I saw no mention of support for our troops in your post, only outrage that someone who's had a questionable past feels strongly about wearing a poppy.

I find it hard to have a rational, respectful conversation with people who get more upset about a celebrity's comment than they do about the fact that our troops have to rely on public donation for support when they are wounded. It's an "agenda" I probably inherited it when my husband was caught in a roadside bomb in Afghanistan and later died of his injuries. The first people to contact me afterwards was the Army, the second was the British Legion. Long may people continue to support them... whether or not other people judge that they're wearing their poppies for some kind of status.

[Will.]

saggy Barbara...

[MB.]

Alternatively, do what you feel is right for yourself (and allow others to do the same), stick to your beliefs and make sure you establish the difference between paying respect in an individual way and wearing a paper flower for a week or two

[Livia]

Alongside the soldiers (and sailors and airmen and women) who die leaving dependants and the ones who are terribly physically injured and need support forever, there are those who've developed mental illness as a result of their service and mentally they never really leave the battlefield. Lots of those with mental illness end up living on the streets. They have been failed generation after generation.

But hey, if remembering these people annoys you because some people wear the poppy as a status symbol, then you opt out. Never mind the millions who wear them as a show of support... you focus on the few airheads who think wearing a poppy gives them some status. And when you do choose not to wear a poppy, remember that it's the British Forces who've fought for your freedom to turn your backs on them.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Livia

Alongside the soldiers (and sailors and airmen and women) who die leaving dependants and the ones who are terribly physically injured and need support forever, there are those who've developed mental illness as a result of their service and mentally they never really leave the battlefield. Lots of those with mental illness end up living on the streets. They have been failed generation after generation.

But hey, if remembering these people annoys you because some people wear the poppy as a status symbol, then you opt out. Never mind the millions who wear them as a show of support... you focus on the few airheads who think wearing a poppy gives them some status. And when you do choose not to wear a poppy, remember that it's the British Forces who've fought for your freedom to turn your backs on them.

I donate money. Wearing a plastic poppy is not going to fix any of those problems, they do nothing, it's the money that matters. I do not need to wear a poppy to respect the armed forces, I don't feel the need to show off to other people and if they judge me for that then they need a hobby.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I donate money. Wearing a plastic poppy is not going to fix any of those problems, they do nothing, it's the money that matters. I do not need to wear a poppy to respect the armed forces, I don't feel the need to show off to other people and if they judge me for that then they need a hobby.

Good for you Dezzy, you donate and you choose not to wear a poppy. That's your choice. However, I have never known anyone who wears a poppy as a status symbol despite all my years with attachments to the British Army in one form or another. Most people wear them with pride. I hope I never encounter the people to whom you refer.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The government should commit a certain level of funding which matches/exceeds that raised by the charity, then as the charity is phased out, the government funding takes up the slack

That's never going to happen, is it. While they're still having to go out and shake a tin cup for Great Ormond Street Hospital for Sick Children, the government ensuring our troops get the care they deserve is never going to be a priority. So that being the case, we have to step up and support them ourselves.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

Alongside the soldiers (and sailors and airmen and women) who die leaving dependants and the ones who are terribly physically injured and need support forever, there are those who've developed mental illness as a result of their service and mentally they never really leave the battlefield. Lots of those with mental illness end up living on the streets. They have been failed generation after generation.

But hey, if remembering these people annoys you because some people wear the poppy as a status symbol, then you opt out. Never mind the millions who wear them as a show of support... you focus on the few airheads who think wearing a poppy gives them some status. And when you do choose not to wear a poppy, remember that it's the British Forces who've fought for your freedom to turn your backs on them.

THIS^.I wear a poppy,not because I want to be looked on as kind etc,I wear one as I am proud of our soldiers ,the same as I wear a yellow daffodil for the McMillan nurses and ribbons for cancer,I'de like to think that a show of support may encourage others to support charities too. It's easy to blame the government for everything,but sometimes it doesn't hurt ( or maybe it does)to have a good look at ourselves.