[Tom4784]

I donate money to the charity but I refuse to wear a poppy, It's a symbol that's become less about remembering the dead and more about saying 'Oh, look at me, I'm wearing a poppy, aren't I wonderful and kind?' and belittling anyone who doesn't think the same. Every time someone on Facebook shares a picture of a poppy with the caption 'THIS PICTURE HAS BEEN TAKEN OWN X AMOUNT OF TIMES, SHARE THE HELL OUT OF IT' I die a little inside.

I like poppies and what they stand for, but I simply hate people for turning them into a self absorbed status symbol.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I donate money to the charity but I refuse to wear a poppy, It's a symbol that's become less about remembering the dead and more about saying 'Oh, look at me, I'm wearing a poppy, aren't I wonderful and kind?' and belittling anyone who doesn't think the same. Every time someone on Facebook shares a picture of a poppy with the caption 'THIS PICTURE HAS BEEN TAKEN OWN X AMOUNT OF TIMES, SHARE THE HELL OUT OF IT' I die a little inside.

I like poppies and what they stand for, but I simply hate people for turning them into a self absorbed status symbol.

I agree. I always donate but never wear one.

[Suze]

Originally Posted by Firewire

I agree. I always donate but never wear one.

Same here, although I might take a sticker and stick it on living room wall.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I donate money to the charity but I refuse to wear a poppy, It's a symbol that's become less about remembering the dead and more about saying 'Oh, look at me, I'm wearing a poppy, aren't I wonderful and kind?' and belittling anyone who doesn't think the same. Every time someone on Facebook shares a picture of a poppy with the caption 'THIS PICTURE HAS BEEN TAKEN OWN X AMOUNT OF TIMES, SHARE THE HELL OUT OF IT' I die a little inside.

I like poppies and what they stand for, but I simply hate people for turning them into a self absorbed status symbol.

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Wearing one is like proclaiming I've done my bit.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I donate money to the charity but I refuse to wear a poppy, It's a symbol that's become less about remembering the dead and more about saying 'Oh, look at me, I'm wearing a poppy, aren't I wonderful and kind?' and belittling anyone who doesn't think the same. Every time someone on Facebook shares a picture of a poppy with the caption 'THIS PICTURE HAS BEEN TAKEN OWN X AMOUNT OF TIMES, SHARE THE HELL OUT OF IT' I die a little inside.

I like poppies and what they stand for, but I simply hate people for turning them into a self absorbed status symbol.

Spot on.

The self-righteousness of some people about it is ridiculous.

Also, she might want to remember her trysts with gangsters, extramarital affair and 5 abortions before judging others simply for not wearing a poppy. I know which I think is worse.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Spot on.

The self-righteousness of some people about it is ridiculous.

Also, she might want to remember her trysts with gangsters, extramarital affair and 5 abortions before judging others simply for not wearing a poppy. I know which I think is worse.

What the hell has Barbara Windsor's abortions got to do with supporting our troops. What's it got to do with anything, come to that? What's even more self-righteous is to choose not to support our troops because some celebrity has pissed you off.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Livia

What the hell has Barbara Windsor's abortions got to do with supporting our troops.What's it got to do with anything, come to that? What's even more self-righteous is to choose not to support our troops because some celebrity has pissed you off.

Um, you're someone I've always respected and gotten along with fine so I'd appreciate it if you wound your neck in and didn't bite my head off for posting my viewpoint. Especially if you're going to completely twist my words to suit whatever agenda it is your pushing.

Where in my post did I even suggest I "choose not to support troops". Please do find evidence of that because that's a really bloody insulting assumption to make with no evidence.

As for me referencing her past, my whole point is that it's ridiculous to make such a harsh judgement on someone for not wearing a poppy (and yes, the suggestion that people don't care about the troops if they don't wear a poppy is moronic) when you're hardly Mother Theresa. I have no qualms with judging someone who chooses to judge me.

Gosh, I always had you down as someone to have rational and respectful debate with and capable of having a debate without flying off the handle. We all make mistakes, I suppose.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

Um, you're someone I've always respected and gotten along with fine so I'd appreciate it if you wound your neck in and didn't bite my head off for posting my viewpoint. Especially if you're going to completely twist my words to suit whatever agenda it is your pushing.

Where in my post did I even suggest I "choose not to support troops". Please do find evidence of that because that's a really bloody insulting assumption to make with no evidence.

As for me referencing her past, my whole point is that it's ridiculous to make such a harsh judgement on someone for not wearing a poppy (and yes, the suggestion that people don't care about the troops if they don't wear a poppy is moronic) when you're hardly Mother Theresa. I have no qualms with judging someone who chooses to judge me.

Gosh, I always had you down as someone to have rational and respectful debate with. We all make mistakes, I suppose.

I saw no mention of support for our troops in your post, only outrage that someone who's had a questionable past feels strongly about wearing a poppy.

I find it hard to have a rational, respectful conversation with people who get more upset about a celebrity's comment than they do about the fact that our troops have to rely on public donation for support when they are wounded. It's an "agenda" I probably inherited it when my husband was caught in a roadside bomb in Afghanistan and later died of his injuries. The first people to contact me afterwards was the Army, the second was the British Legion. Long may people continue to support them... whether or not other people judge that they're wearing their poppies for some kind of status.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

I saw no mention of support for our troops in your post, only outrage that someone who's had a questionable past feels strongly about wearing a poppy.

I find it hard to have a rational, respectful conversation with people who get more upset about a celebrity's comment than they do about the fact that our troops have to rely on public donation for support when they are wounded. It's an "agenda" I probably inherited it when my husband was caught in a roadside bomb in Afghanistan and later died of his injuries. The first people to contact me afterwards was the Army, the second was the British Legion. Long may people continue to support them... whether or not other people judge that they're wearing their poppies for some kind of status.

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Livia

I saw no mention of support for our troops in your post, only outrage that someone who's had a questionable past feels strongly about wearing a poppy.

And you saw no mention of me "choosing not to support them because a celebrity pissed me off" either.

And no, feeling strongly about wearing a poppy and judging others for not are two separate things. I was annoyed by the latter.

Originally Posted by Livia

I find it hard to have a rational, respectful conversation with people who get more upset about a celebrity's comment than they do about the fact that our troops have to rely on public donation for support when they are wounded. It's an "agenda" I probably inherited it when my husband was caught in a roadside bomb in Afghanistan and later died of his injuries. The first people to contact me afterwards was the Army, the second was the British Legion. Long may people continue to support them... whether or not other people judge that they're wearing their poppies for some kind of status.

Well that's a real shame considering all I did was share my view (which, in any mature discussion at least, in no way warrants personal attacks and assumptions). We're here to discuss the topic, not each other and I have every right to put my two cents in without unfounded judgements on my character.

But anyway, we're not going to get anywhere. I'm a nasty evil person because I don't wear a poppy and you had every right to get personal with me, I think that's the general gist. End of "discussion", I think.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I saw no mention of support for our troops in your post, only outrage that someone who's had a questionable past feels strongly about wearing a poppy.

I find it hard to have a rational, respectful conversation with people who get more upset about a celebrity's comment than they do about the fact that our troops have to rely on public donation for support when they are wounded. It's an "agenda" I probably inherited it when my husband was caught in a roadside bomb in Afghanistan and later died of his injuries. The first people to contact me afterwards was the Army, the second was the British Legion. Long may people continue to support them... whether or not other people judge that they're wearing their poppies for some kind of status.

My god, I can't imagine going through that.

Hope you're keeping up ok.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Livia

I saw no mention of support for our troops in your post, only outrage that someone who's had a questionable past feels strongly about wearing a poppy.

I find it hard to have a rational, respectful conversation with people who get more upset about a celebrity's comment than they do about the fact that our troops have to rely on public donation for support when they are wounded. It's an "agenda" I probably inherited it when my husband was caught in a roadside bomb in Afghanistan and later died of his injuries. The first people to contact me afterwards was the Army, the second was the British Legion. Long may people continue to support them... whether or not other people judge that they're wearing their poppies for some kind of status.

You and me pass a lot of snipe back and forth but when I read this, my heart goes out to you. I'm so sorry you had to suffer through this tragedy Livia and I genuinely understand why a topic like this one could potentially be so hurtful to you.

Back to sniping tomorrow mind