[Withano]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I don't find it confusing, I just don't see how you can say "pansexuals" are not attracted to either gender, when they are attracted to both.

They are not sexually attracted to gender in the exact same way that asexuals are not sexually attracted to gender, and unlike bisexuals who are sexually attracted to gender.

Attraction is different to sexual attraction, and thats why all three of those groups can date both genders whilst all having three different sexualities.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Withano

They are not sexually attracted to gender in the exact same way that asexuals are not sexually attracted to gender, and unlike bisexuals who are sexually attracted to gender.

Maybe the keystone here is "attracted to gender" - what exactly do you mean by that? That exact turn of phrase is one I've not heard before. Like I said before, what gender someone is doesn't factor into my attraction toward them, sexual or otherwise.

Originally Posted by parmnion

I get a hard on on the bus sometimes with its vibrations so perhaps the male member isnt all that bothered..and lets face it, he gets the final say.

If it was on an airplane, you'd be PanAirSexual

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Maybe the keystone here is "attracted to gender" - what exactly do you mean by that? That exact turn of phrase is one I've not heard before. Like I said before, what gender someone is doesn't factor into my attraction toward them, sexual or otherwise.

Sexual arousal by people because they are a gender that a person is sexually aroused by? Thats probably wordier than it needs to be

If you acknowledge that asexuals are not sexually interested in gender, then it shouldnt be too difficult to believe that nor are pansexual people?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Withano

Sexual arousal by people because they are a gender that a person is sexually aroused by? Thats probably wordier than it needs to be

If you acknowledge that asexuals are not sexually interested in gender, then it shouldnt be too difficult to believe that nor are pansexual people?

But if someone's "pan", they can be aroused by both genders, making them bi? All I'm hearing is "bisexuals are attracted to both genders, pan people don't care about gender", which pretty much amount to the same thing?

I was under the impression ace people who wanted to date others could loosely fall under heteroromantic, homoromantic, or biromantic? So while they might not have actively wanted sex, they might want to have a sexless relationship with someone of a certain gender?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

But if someone's "pan", they can be aroused by both genders, making them bi? All I'm hearing is "bisexuals are attracted to both genders, pan people don't care about gender", which pretty much amount to the same thing?

I was under the impression ace people who wanted to date others could loosely fall under heteroromantic, homoromantic, or biromantic? So while they might not have actively wanted sex, they might want to have a sexless relationship with someone of a certain gender?

But then again, sexual attraction and attraction are still very different. And thats the difference in these sexualities.

Sexual attraction to gender A=NO, P=NO, B=YES
Sexual attraction to personality A=NO, P=YES, B=YES

All could date men and women, but it is those small differences that make their sexuality different to one another, even though, they might all date both bob and carole

[Oliver_W]

Bus Cup?

Originally Posted by Withano

But then again, sexual attraction and attraction are still very different. And thats the difference in these sexualities.

Sexual attraction to gender A=NO, P=NO, B=YES
Sexual attraction to personality A=NO, P=YES, B=YES

All could date men and women, but it is those small differences that make their sexual attraction to different to one another, even though, they might all date both bob and carole

Can you tell me what your understanding of "sexual attraction" and "attraction" are? Can they both lead to a relationship? If so, why do they need to be separated?

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Bus Cup?


Can you tell me what your understanding of "sexual attraction" and "attraction" are? Can they both lead to a relationship? If so, why do they need to be separated?

I guess putting it bluntly, one is pleasant/appealing, the other is hot/arousing

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Withano

But then again, sexual attraction and attraction are still very different. And thats the difference in these sexualities.

Sexual attraction to gender A=NO, P=NO, B=YES
Sexual attraction to personality A=NO, P=YES, B=YES

All could date men and women, but it is those small differences that make their sexuality different to one another, even though, they might all date both bob and carole

Honestly think I peaked here though, I’m done for the night. That is what pansexuality means. Attraction to personality, not gender, and not both. If someone had a sexual attraction to both gender and persona, they’d be bi, if they had a sexual attraction towards neither personality nor gender, they’d be ace. All three groups do, sometimes, date both genders at different times. That doesnt make them all bi.

Dezzy’s question was is pansexuality possible. I think yes.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Honestly think I peaked here though, I’m done for the night. That is what pansexuality means. Attraction to personality, not gender, and not both. If someone had a sexual attraction to both gender and persona, they’d be bi, if they had a sexual attraction towards neither personality nor gender, they’d be ace. All three groups do, sometimes, date both genders at different times. That doesnt make them all bi.

Dezzy’s question was is pansexuality possible. I think yes.

Only if its kept in its trousers.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Withano

Honestly think I peaked here though, I’m done for the night. That is what pansexuality means. Attraction to personality, not gender, and not both. If someone had a sexual attraction to both gender and persona, they’d be bi, if they had a sexual attraction towards neither personality nor gender, they’d be ace. All three groups do, sometimes, date both genders at different times. That doesnt make them all bi.

Dezzy’s question was is pansexuality possible. I think yes.

But you're boiling down the concept of sexual attraction - a nuanced area of psychology still under constant research, rife with debate, and absolutely FULL of individual differences - to something very basic and black-and-white that I'm pretty sure doesn't apply "in stock form" to the sexual psychology of ANY individual or at least, not to any individual who has adequately explored their sexuality in any meaningful way rather than defining it on Wikipedia.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Withano

I guess putting it bluntly, one is pleasant/appealing, the other is hot/arousing

I'd class them both under the umbrella of "attraction", split into physical/sexual attraction and personality-based attraction.

Originally Posted by Withano

Honestly think I peaked here though, I’m done for the night. That is what pansexuality means. Attraction to personality, not gender, and not both. If someone had a sexual attraction to both gender and persona, they’d be bi

You've still not really explained the difference between "not being attracted to gender" and "being attracted to both genders". I've never heard of a bisexual person saying they're "attracted to gender".